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1. jurgenuは言う:

   彼女が気遣うことであるおよび皆同類のでメリーは大地、私考えるであり私が感じ、考える何によい基づかせていた地球のかまたはjezus、多くの人々に連絡するためにメリーがこれを読むためにそれeasiar彼女Jezusに近い方に来る方法としてメリー、それであるintuitiefの答えI、感謝するであるとき彼女は永遠の軽いJezusのそのようなことの接触を、従って持って来る

   2006年4月28日3:08 pmの

2. チャールズs.は言う:

   こんにちは、
   あなたのすばらしいをありがとう
   記事。神は私に目撃のための賛美する。神はあなたの中心に愛する常にいるよろしいです!
   平和、愛および天恵
   チャールズs。

   2006年4月28日3:15 pmの

3. amar Singh Sandhu (retd) WG司令官は言う:

   o私のLordji! 私のGodji! 正しいこと常にし、すべての中心とのTheeに、すべての心および精神を役立つために、私に、理解を砂、Thyの使用人-永久に与えなさい。 アーメン! 私の敵のようにする、または友人、または隣人、または父、または母または学生、またはゲスト、または私の家族-与えなさいかどうかすべての私の友人に測定なしで繁栄、健康および知恵Theeに、Thyを苦しむことのすべての生命の…神聖触れなさい。 Aum、アーメン、Amin、Hmm…. あなたの使用人子供。

   2006年4月28日3:29 pmの

4. ジェームスは言う:

   」イエス・キリストが福音で言ったことを覚えなさい、私の血の私のボディそして飲み物の食べるunlestあなたがあなたの生命を過さないが、決定する彼は自身の生命に生命everlasting.wouldがこれを注意して取ることを考慮しないのを過すだれでも。

   2006年4月28日3:40 pmの

5. charnelは言う:

   メリーのintercessionsは人として造る私を… 私はあなたのblogに神を賞賛し、感謝する。 神は賛美する…

   2006年4月28日4:22 pmの

6. Toniaは言う:

   これは最もよい記事今のところおよびほとんどのacurateである。 よく焼けた! 神は賛美する!
   イエス・キリストに、メリーを通して、
   Tonia

   2006年4月28日4:45 pmの

7. annettaは言う:

   メリーは疑いイエス・キリストを想像した人でない。 彼女はあり、非常に支持される。 彼女は全く1つの助力の役割をイエス・キリストについて知ることを得る果す; しかしメリーは絶対に人を直接救うことができない。 彼女は絶対に私達の罪を許すことができない。 そう問題の私の結論は彼女がだれでも現在助けてないので誰もメリーに祈り、helpfromを彼女に頼むべきでないことである。 生きているそれから彼女が彼女他に指導およびcouncillingを与えられたあった。

   2006年4月28日4:47 pmの

8. サルバドルFernandesは言う:

   キリスト、親愛なる兄弟及び姉妹の平和
   神の使用人は母メリーに、多くの個人的な解釈と集中する。 聖書自体が解釈について言う何を初鑑を許可する。
   人々が読書を理解したのは、Nehemiah 8:8 「および彼らは神、はっきりおよび彼らの法律からの本から(levites)、与えた感覚を読んだからである。
   すべてのの2ピーター1:20 「最初に経典のそのNOの預言であるその人自身の解釈の問題これを理解しなければならない。
   行為8:27 - Ethopianが、読んでいるものを「理解することをフィリップは彼に差し向けられいかに読んでいた、フィリップは彼に尋ねたか31は点検しか。 そしてEthopianは答えた: 「iがいかにできるか、誰かが導かなければ私をか」。
   彼がすべての彼の手紙で(ポール)するようにこれの2ピーター3:16の話すこと。 teyが他の経典をするので、理解するべきthierへの知らなく、不安定なねじれが破壊を所有するそれらに懸命にある事がある。

   教授がどこにから来ているかそう兄弟および姉妹は検知する。 メリーに関して少数のscriptural詩非常にある、教授の残りは使徒の伝統から私達に来、メリーに名誉を与える残りはこの教授に従ってそれをする、(点検1.Cor 11:2; 1Thes 2:13; 2Thes. 2:15; 2Thes 3:6)
   今私は愛のトピックについての議論にメリーを連れて来ることの罪があった; これは彼女へのメリーそして献身の名前が同じ人々のいかに非常に気分を害することができるかので、愛の人々の話および許し、しかしあった。

   今Jillからのこの記事が聖母マリアの`Appariations」述べているようにそう多くの世界中の人々がこれらのによってAppariations賛美された、疑問に思い1つの割引をこれらの場所に起こる奇跡缶詰にしなさいかなぜ-。 これのInspiteはこれらを信じるために、教会それに人々のための教義を、しなかった信じるか、または信じなくて自由である。

   彼女の永遠VIRGINITYの教会教義が示すもののJillがバージンのために与える意味の1つは純粋なか未開地のあることである。 彼女は純粋なか未開地、子供イエス・キリストに自然な生れを与えることのinspiteに、永久にある。

   そしてはいメリーは彼女は神にだけ一流私達である、カトリック教会はメリーが崇拝されなくて崇拝されるべきであるようにことの教授でしっかりしていることを私達が忘れていれば偶像になることができ。 崇拝は神に属する。

   Jillはメリーがイエス・キリストとあったことを言い、彼が世界に入って来た、私が、メリー加えるこれへの彼と、ときに彼がこの世界を残したときに人々にワイン(優美/愛/平和)が言いない、彼が私達に言うことをするようにするように人々を今日ありこと彼はイエス・キリストと言う。

   ジョン19:26が- 27及びルーク11:27 - 28メリーからの何でも取らない上記の経典の私のcitingsは、十分に明白になるべきである。

   再度私は、その神啓発する彼の人々のそれが当然である名誉を与えるために心を祈る。

   母メリーは米国のために祈る。

   神は賛美する

   2006年4月28日4:48 pmの

9. アブラハムJibowoは言う:

   完全にメリーは、私達の主のイエス・キリスト母私達の主が彼女を通って人間の形態入って来たのですべての女性の最愛だった。 私は私達は人間か精神を崇拝するべきであると言う聖書の部分を見ることができない。 天使は天使によって暴露の本の警告に従って、崇拝されるべきでない; けれども天使は少し高いの人よりなされた。 メリーに特に名誉を与える人々は彼女がイエス・キリストの母であることそれを明確にさせる。 メリーの焦点は教義上の練習すべての名誉、栄光、支配権、皇族が、今そして永久に属する私達の救助者イエス・キリストの支配権の否定ではなくである。
   メリー、私達は愛し、母性愛とりわけ名誉を与える。

   2006年4月28日5:03 pmの

10. Carmelは言う:

    神の記事」 SERANT」のためのお祝い
    メリーは」、彼を見る神のhandmaidは」神の最も忠実な使用人である- Jesus.Godの生れがGabrielleに言う彼女を神のためのすべての不純物からの最も高いのの「preseved後Anawim.Sheはbeforeduring罪および処女なしにtabernacle」あり、罪は一緒に行くことができない。次に彼女は後悔および祈りにpeipleを呼ぶ今そして、あちこちでようである。私達は彼女の話を聞き、よりよいののために私達の生命を変える必要がある。
    私達のために神、私達がキリストの約束の価値があるようにされるかもしれないそれのoの神聖な母を祈りなさい。
    私の女王および母、私はこの日のthy純度、thy神聖、thy熱心、thy愛、すべての私の思考、単語、行為および苦労にそれらがイエス・キリストにthee、喜びおよび精神に利益によってなるかもしれないこと、結合する。 CARMEL

    2006年4月28日5:24 pmの

11. jackieは言う:

    貴重なjill私は感謝し、神そこに今日実際にそれを消すための賛美するかもしれない。 私の日を作った。

    2006年4月28日5:29 pmの

12. johnnmensahは言う:

    イエス・キリストのについてのpassegeは」母皆のためのレッスン結婚したり、である。Espercially女性。私は青年を意味する。イエス・キリストが意志彼再度来たら人をのような結婚する得なさいか。aquestionは皆にある。結婚しなかった特に人々。ありがとう。神は賛美する。

    2006年4月28日5:42 pmの

13. malitaは言う:

    たくさんありがとう。 私は毎日イエス・キリストを捜して、私を助ける。

    2006年4月28日6:03 pmの

14. ミハエルIsaacsは言う:

    そんなに感謝しなさい。 バージンについてのあなたの洞察力は明らかにしているが、ただ考える人々に特に理解すること容易私達はメリーを崇拝する。 それおよび神のblesを保ちなさい。

    2006年4月28日6:17 pmの

15. 丈夫なトマスは言う:

    メリーは完全の、私達の主イエス・キリストの母時間が右だったときにその主が彼女に私達の父沢山与えた優美によって福音を達成するために役割を果さなければならなかった。 私達はすべてどれも私を通したを除く父に達することができないことをキリストが言ったことを忘れている。 私で信頼があり、私の道に続くすべては救われる。 in.メリー信じられなければならない1才のそのイエス・キリストないメリー彼がイエス・キリストの曾祖父であるために主アブラハムおよびデイヴィッドをいかに選んだ、そして福音をいかに説教するためにイエス・キリストが12人の使徒およびポールを選んだかデイヴィッドの子孫は、アブラハムの子孫同じ方法の私達の主の選ばれた子供、だった。 しかしこれは神として電話されたか、または選ばれた人々か崇拝されるべき人々のうちのどれも示さない。

    メリーの部品は彼女が救世主に生れを与えた時にわたってあった。 彼女は崇拝されるべきであることメリーの重要性がとても必要そのような物なら重要人物は地球または天国のようにであるかどうか福音が単語「ずっと父」にとつての重要性を常に示しているのでヨセフイエス・キリストの地球の父である。 一度私の息子そしてであることをしかし主が言ったので父がいないまたは地球の母、私は天のあなたの父である。 それからイエス・キリストに達するそれがいかにあるか私達は「メリーを通したイエス・キリスト」への単語を使用する。 メリーは彼女が遊んだ救済者のbringerの一部分を除いていままで決して彼女がNazareth市に住んでいるデイヴィッドの子孫救済者の生れのための宣言された場所だったので救助の部品の受け手でなかった。 「私の息子を死なない信じる永遠の生命」をことを過すためだれでも主彼自身は言った。 メリーはどこに全経典にいるか。 彼女の存在は彼女が救済者が彼女は重要なそれでない私達の主が置く計画で地球のだれでもよりこと、そして彼はより多くの権限を(メリーおよびヨセフ)示す調子でイエス・キリストの父有することを交換する救済者とのダイアログを有する聖書で感じられる。 ルーク2:49、ジョン2:3。 聖書は私達の主および救助者のイエス・キリスト地球の家族の重要性について実際に話さない。 それは彼の最愛の息子によって死の征服し、十字のきっぱりと犠牲にすることによって私達の罪から私達をすべて…彼の信者および従節…放すことへなぜの後ろの起こったか作成の最初から私達の主のすばらしい仕事永遠そして歴史の彼自身をである。 そう私は強く考え、もう一人の女神を父、息子の階層に加える神霊は必要でない。

    2006年4月28日7:57 pmの

16. Verònica b.ニカラグアは言う:

    Querido Jill。

    Unaのvezのmàsのteのagradezcoのporのenviarmeのtusのartìculosはlindos y llenos de sbiduriaaのruegoをDiosパラグラフのqueのsigaのderramandoのbendiciones tì yのtuのfamilia日焼けさせる。
    Aquì enニカラグアのlaのVirgen Santìsimaのtiene国連lugar特別なen el corazonn de cada Nicaのaunqueのestemosのsiempre lejos de nuestra Patria No.のllevamos elのamor de 「Ella」はpresentar nosotros、laのVirgencita Marìa No.のamaのy espera de nosotrosのloのmejorのパラグラフのpoderloをsuのhijo Jesùs、nosotrosのfuimosのbendecidosのporのElla enのlosのtiemposのmàsのtristes、difìciles yのhorrendos causaのdel comunismo yのlasのpersecusionesのqueのhabìanパラグラフのtodosのlosのcatòlico o catòlicos、la destruccionn de los hogares、laのguerra等y No.のprotegiòのhasta elの最終、騙すel MALのlaのOraciòn enのfamilia y elのrezo del Santoロサリオに対するelのarmaのmàsのpoderosaを騙さない、el rezo de la novena la Purisimaa Concepcionn de MariaaのdondeのtodoのNicaragûense se llena de alegriaa yのagradecimiento nuestra Madre del cieloのlevantandoのaltaresのfloridos enのsuの名誉。Estamos orgullosa de tenerのcomo modelo de obediencia la Virgen Marìa。 Quiènのcausaのtanta Alegrìaか。… La Concepcionn de Mariaa。

    Marìa deニカラグア…ニカラグアde Mariaa。

    2006年4月28日8:49 pmの

17. makar星は言う:

    親愛なるJillのあなたが引用したおよびそれらの説明はであり聖書の道与えたことそう非常に本当および促す。 イエス・キリストは思考が危ない事である、この事実をかなりはっきり強調したと言い。 彼はまた私達の崇拝の焦点だけ父、神、および誰もおよび何もべきであると言った。 メリーは彼女が単語の肉の作成で示したようにだけ果したが、神は私達が崇拝しなければならない1才である役割のために常に名誉を与えられる。 ありがとう私にこの最近のblog、について私が私の電子メールの後で常に点検するインターネットに知らせるために私を打つ。 神はおよびすべてを読者常に賛美する。 星。 金曜日28.4.06 22.50

    2006年4月28日9:50 pmの

18. lyanaは言う:

    そのようなterms.SHEの神聖な母メリーに討論する方法は無条件愛および信頼の真実でない。
    彼女は穏やかなDIVINITY.But私達の無限愛、私達の希望である、私達の神聖なライトは素晴しい主および神イエス・キリストである! 私達は外に住むことができない
    彼および私達はすべて彼のである
    servants.GODはあなたすべてとある!

    2006年4月29日2:24 AMの

19. evaは言う:

    gospel.iをありがとう; mはmamaメリーおよび私の心酔者mamaメリーイエス・キリストによってそれ私達の祈りのbecにすべて答えることをphils.iのあらゆる水曜日がここに信じるnovenaに出席する。 mamaメリーはイエス・キリストに導く私達のための方法である。

    2006年4月29日2:56 AMの

20. サルバドルFernandesは言う:

    キリストの親愛なる兄弟及び姉妹の平和、

    ちょうど「聖書私達の主および救助者のイエス・キリスト地球の家族の重要性について実際に」。は話さないことを彼が言う丈夫からのコメントを読みなさい

    これを点検しよう。

    天使はメリーに挨拶した- 「挨拶支持した1つ」を

    Elisabethは叫んだ-
    「賛美されて量の女性、賛美されてあなたの子宮のフルーツは」。 またメリーを- 「私の主の母」電話する。

    メリーは言われる彼女が彼女自身今後すべての生成私が賛美したcllを決定するMAGNIFICATを歌った。

    Simeonはメリーおよびヨセフを賛美し、言った。 「剣は穴を開け、もあなた自身の精神に」。

    最初の奇跡をする彼にそれを、しかし彼に言うことによってイエス・キリストを-問題があったことないするように得られるメリー頼むことによって。

    暴露12は天の大きい兆し、彼女のフィートの下で日曜日、月着る女性の私達におよび彼女の頭部で12の星の王冠告げる。

    上記がメリーにとつての重要性でなければ、少数の道、何に彼女が約話されていたことあるか。

    そしてだれ、およびだれをかか愛メリー私達を今分類する2グループ、1の私達を許可しなさい。 メリーを愛するそれらは友人、それらでない敵である。
    そして言ったSatanを起源の3:15の神に戻るために割り当てる「私があなたと女性の間にenemityを置く; そしてあなたの子孫と彼女の物間で; 彼はあなたの頭部を打ち、打つ彼のかかとを」。

    私はカトリック教会が私を私の母を愛し、名誉を与え、尊敬するように教えたこと嬉しい。

    神は賛美する

    2006年4月29日3:29 AMの

21. リザのmathewは言う:

    こんにちは丘、
    私達に記事を送るためのThamks。その実際に有望。

    ありがとうのサルバドルのfernandes uは聖書の非常によい知識を持っている。私は聖書の知識がある人々を好む。
    それを保ちなさい。
    神は賛美するように。

    2006年4月29日3:56 AMの

22. Souheil Bayoudは言う:

    こんにちはJill
    。Mary.Thisによってイエス・キリストによく焼けた全問題はである。それのために私は2冊の本を繰り返す: 救助者isbn 1418412988の手および寺院isbn 1425905773.Theyの硬貨は本当の物語である。第2本でstメリーの役割を見つける。
    神は賛美するように
    Souheil Bayoud

    2006年4月29日4:57 AMの

23. Sheebaは言う:

    親愛なるJill、

    この議論をありがとう。 この記事が純度の印として母メリーについての私達に告げるので、イエス・キリストの死が神の意志されるだったまで彼女が神の単語で持っていた信頼の上のサービス、献身、許し、謙遜、祈りおよびすべての強いために彼女を作った。 私達の生命時間に私達を神のchildrensとして信頼にあることを許可しなさい。

    神は。賛美する。

    2006年4月29日5:17 AMの

24. swapnaは言う:

    親愛なるBROTHERJILLは、記事非常によい虹で与えられるu….特に例 私は私のクリスチャンの兄弟および姉妹全員を、私達hav母メリーを崇拝するようにはい要求する強大な神に与えられるbが….もしすべての栄光ように私達は彼女を崇拝するべきでない ない母メリーが態度を変えなければならないように同時に私達の多数は、whodoes彼女が重要性を与えない私のために私達の神。.plzの母祈るである私の家族…今日私の姉妹の生れ日のでであり、

    2006年4月29日5:50 AMの

25. dorairajan silvanusは言う:

    親愛なるJill、

    この記事を本当にありがとう。
    母メリーはintercessorであるまたはない、それは認識まである
    しかし1つの重要な事柄は種類に関係なくすべてのクリスチャン、母メリーが競争されるべき模範であることを理解するべきである。
    神は私達皆を賛美する。

    2006年4月29日6:53 AMの

26. Carlos Domacasseは言う:

    親愛なるJill、
    私がメリーに会うとき、私はGod.Godがメリーにあり、神が私およびあなたにあることを見る。 天恵。

    2006年4月29日10:34 AMの

27. ラナは言う:

    私達のヒイラギMOTHER.Theに賛美した聖母マリア何回も助けた私を私の生命のかかわる従って私は彼女に感謝し、彼女のために祈るためにexeptを何も言うことはないurの記事と特にこの記事のための非常に高いjillのthx
    ありがとう!

    2006年4月29日10:54 AMの

28. SILVIAは言う:

    Oは私によってがそれらのために死んだ来られる意志は教会からのSTELLA MARISに私の情熱のI RIMEMBERが私が14日WHOはであることに流れたときに私告げたこうすればを取ったことをあなたが私の休日をそれら過す私の実質GERUSALEM TOMOROWに焼きなさいBEFORことを新しいあらゆる考える生み出し。

    2006年4月29日11:22 AMの

29. Efuetngong Dionは言う:

    非常にありがとうは、atleast AM啓発する。 あらゆるBODY.IF地域にいかに印刷される発表され、それによってがよい世界中で送ることができるかGOD.BUTの使用人についての私の疑いをすべて取り除く。
    カメルーンから書くこと。
    DION

    2006年4月29日12:12 pmの

30. TIMMYは言う:

    例えば、地平線に虹および私があったら私の指を凝視したらあなたをそれを見る虹を指しなさいか。 当然私がどこに指しているか見るために見ればその時だけ虹を見る。

    優秀な例。

    美しい記事。
    そう多数があなたの記事を通って主および彼の方法のよりよい理解に来ていること幸せなI m。
    。先に行きなさい。 あなたが付いているhes。

    luv及び祈り
    TIMMY

    2006年4月29日2:23 pmの

31. ジョンは言う:

    それが人の世界であり、それが変更間にこの世界に持って来られる私達の主であるので母メリーの私達の主の母、愛の母、平和の母、救助の母、.......聖書の母は彼女の少しだけ公正述べる。
    母によってメリーは私達のために私達の死のsinnersそしておよび時間がアーメン祈る

    2006年4月29日4:56 pmの

32. 丈夫なトマスは言う:

    主を私達の神および救助者イエス・キリスト世界のすべての精神によって永遠の平和および喜びおよび幸福持って来ることを許可しなさい。

    私の貴重な迷惑のサルバドルがメリー述べている聖書についての彼の記事で言うように。 はい私は決してイエス・キリストの母が…あること経典に於いての彼女の重要な役割を…否定しない
    キリストの親愛なる兄弟及び姉妹の平和、
    はいメリーは仕事のために支持されたとして天使によって彼女がのために…置かれたが、神彼自身が彼がそれらのために置いた仕事のためのノア、Isaac、ヤコブ、MosesおよびAaronの好意を見つけたこと挨拶された。 アブラハムはまたJehovah (および天使無し)彼自身によって「すべての父」を(Romans 4:11)信じるそれらとよばれた。 しかしここにアブラハムはイエス・キリストへイエス・キリストへ人間の缶なるドアにである缶だれでもドア…である場合もないどちらも1才にならないJehovahにドアを開けた。 主がイエス・キリストが救済者であるイエス・キリストへドアであるメリーについて説教されたどれも述べられなく、宣言するために…言ったように使徒は。 聖書ははっきり私達の母がであるかだれ言う。 「…あるエルサレム私達すべての母」はである(Galatians 4:26)、
    はいメリーは賛美され、選ばれた母である。 ちょうどアブラハムのように賛美され、曾祖父、私達の主のイエス・キリスト地球の母である彼の地球の父およびメリーであるヨセフであるために曾祖父、デイヴィッド王であるために選ばれた。 この系統は決して本当deniable経典を、非常に達成することでなかった。 答えられるジョン14:6イエス・キリスト「私は方法および真実および生命である。 誰も私を通ってを除く父に来ない」。 彼は彼の説教の発言でどこでも。 誰も私の賛美された母メリーを通ってを除いて私に来ることができない。
    第2ジョンの章の詩1-11年: イエス・キリストの」母は彼に言った、「それらに残ないワインが」。 「すればいいのか」、答えるイエス・キリスト私に何を言ってはならない。 「私の時間まだ」は来ていない。 イエス・キリストの」母はそれから使用人を言った、彼が」。言うものは何でも「しなさい 彼女は私が言うと同時に理解し、従って「使用人が私の話を聞き、することを言わなかった。 私は彼に後で話す」。
    彼女がすればいいのか彼に何を言うべきである人でないことをここにイエス・キリストの作りメリーは理解する。 そして全能の神への彼の仕事があるのでまた彼女に彼の時間が来なかったことをわからせる。 その部分は彼が洗礼を施されたときに余分だった。 「これは私がよく」。喜ぶ私の最愛の息子である 彼がの彼自身すべての主、べきであるものをそうイエス・キリスト彼自身がメリーを彼にする言わないように言った時私達がいかにメリーをイエス・キリストを私達の罪を許すように言うように言ってもいいか。
    メリーは神が計画するように彼女がこのタイトルと賛美されたので確かに最も女性の賛美される…である。 しかしピーターにイエス・キリストは、「あなたによってが石である、私がこの石に私の教会」を造ったピーター言い。 キリストの神またはボディの重要なここに母は…教会…当然である何それはキリストのボディである。 これ作りst.ピータードアはイエス・キリストへのか。 神聖なドアは象徴的にキリストを言った救助者表す: 「誰でも私を通って救われる」入る(ジョン10:9)。
    多数は救世主に生れを与えるために彼女が経典の達成のすばらしい仕事をするために資格を与えられたのでメリーをイエス・キリストの母賛美した。 しかしどれも崇拝しなかった彼女を… すべては救済者を着くために忍耐強く待っていた。
    暴露は女性…ない女神を述べている。 この女性は息子を妊娠して、ライトの持参人(象徴する太陽を)、彼は彼のfootstoolの下に暗闇を、象徴する月を置く。 そして12の星は彼女は生れに…イエス・キリスト即ち私達の主を与えることを約ある述べられたドラゴンか獣はHerodだったこと子供によって救われる12匹の種族であり。 息子がすることを約あったことすべては彼に生れを与えることを行くものだったメリーの出現によって象徴された。
    「だれ、およびだれをかか愛メリー私達を今分類する2グループ、1の私達を許可すれば。 メリーを愛するそれらはである友人、それらでない敵」。 私の親愛なる兄弟によってが私達が全然言うべきである何かでないこの声明は湧き出る。 彼が罪から偽りなくそして完全にきれいでなければ地球の人に友人か敵に彼の同業者を分類する権利がない。 すなわち。 彼は全然罪を犯さなかった。 それはイエス・キリストだけ権利がある私達の高僧である。
    そして私はtheeと女性とthy種と彼女の種の間に敵意を置く; それはthy頭部およびthouのshaltの傷あとを彼のかかと傷つける。女性に彼は言った、私はthy悲哀およびthy概念を非常に増加する; 悲哀のthouのshaltで子供を持ち出しなさい; そしてthy夫および彼へのthy欲求は[ありなさい]終わるtheeを支配する。 でなかった完全にメリーイエス・キリストの母これは湧き出る…それがイブの。
    教会はキリストのボディであり、カトリック教のプロテスタントの正統の部品に分けることができない。 それは1つのボディである。
    神は賛美する

    2006年4月29日8:08 pmの

33. サルバドルFernandesは言う:

    平和キリストの私の兄弟及び姉妹。
    丈夫な親愛なる兄弟
    私の最初郵便を見れば、私ははっきり聖書の解釈についての経典を引用し、あなたの個人的な容量の聖書を解釈している。
    カトリック教徒としてIつはキリストが確立する教会の教授によって導かれる教会のMagisterium、およびAMに、依存する。 すべての33000+種類および日までに増加するが、1つのボディ-論理または常識であることあなた自身を確信させることができる1でないこと確信させる。 HEADACEがあったらあなたの体の例を、あなたの体の残り作用するかもしれなかったりしかしする爽快な取りなさいか。 またはあなたの足か腕があればあなたの体に付したときに、するするのが常であった機能をamuputedか。

    そして聖書を解釈した後私の肉を食べなければ言い、私の血を飲むか彼が「、どうして最もイエス・キリストの教授を忘れていた、生命を」あった使徒および弟子のためのだけこの教授は彼の時間あなたでの間に過さないか。 どうしてそれがなった記号による今だけであるかキリスト教の種類のほとんどで。 それが象徴的なら、1つはキリストのキリストのボディそして血を受け取らなくて、次に単語1を過さない生命を所有する。 、その多くの左彼のおよび彼のこの教授のための彼、電話しなかったりそれらを、彼を残すかどうか彼が象徴的に話していたが、また尋ねた使徒にまた覚えなさい格言。 そう聖書の解釈の間違いを見る。

    メリーについて教えられる使徒のどれも言わない-そこにいたか。 印がポールのピーターそしてルークのために書いた一方、2人の使徒だけ福音と信じられる。 手紙は特定の議題の特定の教会に書かれていた、従ってメリーはそのようにちょうど引張られなかろう。 但し、早い教父が- Lutherを含んで改革までの…メリー言った後でさえもそれがすべて高い尊重で教父保持されたことを読んでもらえば。

    I have also in my Post specified that I am a sinner, When I classify into two it was only an example that i was using to show there are only two sides to a coin. I think all of us can identify who an enemy is, how else can we say that we love our enemies?

    If we can call Abraham Father, I see no reason why we cannot call Mary our Mother. And you will be also aware that Catholics, not only ask Mary for intercession, but also ask Saints who have preceeded us into heaven for their intercession, so if we are comfortable, we can definitely seek intercession from Abraham, Noah, Enoch Elijah etc., You have the name of Thomas, isn’t it because somewhere someone considered him a PATRON, to you and family?

    God Bless you

    April 30th, 2006 at 5:11 am

34. Mary says:

    Mama Mary,
    My mum was mad eversince my birth and from then till now, you have been by my side and interceded for me and helped me and I am 48 now. I have survived so far and I still need you as it still gets very difficult for me everyday of my life but I cannot leave you as you are my only source of inspiration and you are there to guide me. I need you even now. Help me in my daily struggles of life, many a times I feel like giving up but I just hang in there, I know it is the strength I derive from my prayers and you have been there for me. I love you Mama Mary. Help me in my hour of need and I will always love you. Your Servant Mary.

    April 30th, 2006 at 5:25 am

35. Marge says:

    Hi Jill,

    Fantastic discussion, everybody seems doing their assignments(reading the bible) everyday, all idea is perfect came from a bible, but very sad to know that very few understand what was jesus meant and very few applies what was they read. this site is really good for those who has a broad understanding, has stable and strong foundation of faith to GOD, open heart for love of Jesus (true LOve) and one which is guided by the holy spirit, but for those who are blind folded this site will be very dificult for them to understand and they will be easily carried away. for all those readers, just a simple note: before reading and after reading just pray to the holy spirit to give us light on what we are reading so we may be able to see the real thing, wisdom to understand what jesus really wants to tell us. do not be affected by some un-acceptable discussion, the issue and all the idea is good for all those who understand.

    i love you all..

    April 30th, 2006 at 7:54 am

36. N.S. George, Kochi, India says:

    Dear Jill, it is a wonderful passage about Mother Mary. We all respect Mother Mary and lover her for she accepted the will of God to bring our Lord Jesus into this world. We should thank May for bringing our Lord Jesus Christ thru her womb. She should be ever rememberd thoughout the world.
    Thank you for your article.

    Dear Brothers & Sisters, we should respect Mother Mary and love her as she is the blessed woman of all women in the earth. Mother Mary died and waiting for the Rapture to be with the Lord Jesus. Since she is no more living, she cannot hear our prayers, and thus she cannot be a mediator between us and the God. Lord Jesus is the only mediator and hear and answer our prayers.

    My prayer is that let us follow like Mother Mary did for the glory of God and submit ourselves to the hand of God thru Jesus Christ, as HE is the ONLY saviour of mankind.

    May God bless you all.

    N.S. George

    April 30th, 2006 at 9:29 am

37. Hardy Thomas says:

    My dear Brother Salvador if you really love your enemies then how is that you have classified them into two different groups… Friends and Enemies. Secondly the question here is nothing else other than the fact that, should Mary the Earthly Mother be given importance as a Goddess of Worship as Is Jesus?
    Miracles happen throughout the world. Many wondrous miracles that is even hard to believe. But remember that it’s the end of the days and the Lord said that during the end of the days many miracles will happen, even ones which will snatch the elect from salvation, such that many will be deceived and shall abandon their faith. Faith that thru Jesus and only thru him shall we have eternal salvation. Here in I stress the word ONLY.
    It’s a great thing that you have pointed out “You say none of the Apostles taught about Mary - Were you there?” well none were there….not even you I guess to state that the first commandment can be changed a little bit by adding Mary into the blessed trinity. “I am the Lord your god… you shall have no other god before me.” And the almighty himself said “None can reach the father without having faith in me” he did not say… Well if you ask my earthly mother Mary’s its OK.” And Jesus also stated that “I have not come to change the law but abide by it.”
    You talked about our ancestors. Well the promise that they had been given by the almighty was that a Seed of Abraham (not a seed and its Mother.) will be the one that will be the door step to the salvation of the world. And from generations before our Ancestors paved way for the coming of the Messiah and only the Messiah, not his earthly Mother or his Earthly Father
    “Which makes me understand… blessed is he who has not seen and yet has believed in me”. As Christ told Thomas… which you rightly pointed out as my Name.
    My friend, you told me “Take the example of your Body. If you have a HEADACE, the rest of your body may be functioning but do you feel good? Or if your leg or arm is amputated, will it do the functions it used to do, when it was attached to your body?”
    Well here we are not discussing about a mortal mans body. I am a mortal man and I have sinned. But my salvation comes not by my own effort but by the grace that the almighty has been showered on me because I believe in his son and himself. It’s Jesus Christ’s body. You classify the Holy order of the Churches (the body of Christ) as different parts? You mean that Christ’s body is so weak that it can be amputated? Or it has headache. Well this clearly shows that the words of the Holy book are interpreted in your own ways. Well a Church is not a building that was raised on St Peters Body. It was the Foundation for the building of the Congregation. In your words if we notice it clearly means that there should have been only one church in the entire world and every day devotees should have gone to only that church. Well I wasn’t there when the scripture was written, but I do believe even you quote the same scripture. The very same one you haven’t been there to witness when it had been written. And according to St Paul’s preaching he said that “He is happy to know that in a right way or a wrong way, Christ is being preached.” And Christ has said that “if two people gather in my name at any place in earth I am there” and his presence is his body.”
    We all who are baptized into his name are clothed in him, is what the Apostles said about believers of Christ. We all follow the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and are guided by the same teaching. But he also talks about many who will elect their own Gods and follow their own sinful desires.
    You my friend talked about interpretations earlier… but did you also read the context that made the apostles say so? They said about interpreting the word of God. If at all Jehovah says that thru Mary you can reach Jesus then I am with you. But he has always said that ONLY thru his son we can reach him. In the Entire Bible, Jesus himself went forth to fulfill his mission along with his Apostles. And he preached the gospel and about his own Blood of Sacrifice so that many will be saved only if they believe in him and the sacrifice. Jesus has never addressed Mary as “Mother” instead he always used to call her “Woman.” He has neither told her “I will do as your Bidding, tell me oh earthly Mother of Mine.” Instead even when he was preaching at the synagogue at the age of 12 he told her “Why did you come looking for me, didn’t you know I am in my fathers house.” And at the wedding of Cana he said “You do not tell me what I should do” The importance over here lies at the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost that is with them as it has been in the beginning and will be till the end. None can be there in the trinity other than these three. And these three are ONE. To reach the father you have to go to the Son and to be one in him you should have the Holy Ghost and the love of God and nothing else in this world, because the Holy Ghost guides you once you are with it and you get him thru baptism and by the covenant of Body and Blood of Christ you manifest in it. Well the example of pointing of the finger to see the rainbow is a real important one. But why have you to look at someone else’s finger to see something afar when he is with you and in you. You have to look at yourself Like In Hebrews it is said.
    There are two sides of a coin. Very true, as there are six sides of a dice. But in Christ there is only one, a huge sphere… where everyone is encompassed into that huge sphere where everyone id added day by day. And its not a coin that decides on the fall of it who survives.
    Abraham was given the title of “Father of all believers by Jehovah himself.” But that does not make Mary our mother. Instead our mother should be Sarah. But in my earlier message I have shown you whom the almighty has chosen to be our mother. It’s the Jerusalem of the Heaven. That’s our Mother.
    Peace to you and all my dearest brethren

    April 30th, 2006 at 9:52 am

38. Salvador Fernandes says:

    My dear brother Hardy.
    Only going by the written word, I too can mislead someone if I want to, (If I ask you did God create man first or last, I bet you will say last, going by Genesis 1, but in Genesis 2, you will find that God created man, an then made the animals and brought them to the man for him to name them)

    I cannot force you to see what the Church so clearly points out, but remember Christ has said that many are called but few are chosen. He also has said that Many will come to me and say Lord in your name, we cast out demons, and he will say ‘I do not know you.’ I pray and hope that this does not happen to any of those who believe in him, because he has also said that if you believe in me, you are saved.

    I sincerely hope that, he will not consider any of the believers, not bearing fruit, and cut us away from his branch, but again here, remember like Judas we have our own free will and choice.

    We attribute a whole lot of things to the Holy Spirit, since, we all believe that we are being led by the Spirit, but I sincerely hope that it will not be counted as Blasphemy against the Spirit, since Christ has said, everything can be forgiven but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

    The Catholic Church, and its Magisterium teaches us to Honor Mother Mary and we Catholics are glad to do it.

    Yes my dear brother the Church is not a Building, but it should be ONE BODY, How can all the 33,000+ odd denominations, who consider that they and only they have the truth and they are saved and all others are doomed be ONE.

    The Catholic Churches, show you a lineage that goes back to the Apostles, and the Apostles by laying of hands, passed on the authority to preach to others. I hope and pray that this lineage is there in all the other churches.

    If you have seen the responses of all on ths blog, you will find that more than 75% have spoken in favour of our Mother.

    And by the way when we recite the Hail Mary, we do nothing but quote Scripture - Check it out for yourself.

    God Bless

    April 30th, 2006 at 4:59 pm

39. rania says:

    hi jill,
    thanks for this article.
    firstly, i believe that it is wrong to say that it is through Mother MARY we can go to the FATHER for it is only thr our LORD JESUS CHRIST as it is described in the Bible.
    Mother MARY is our dearest mother who we all should respect &love but of course not worship her.I love Mother MARY alot but it doesnt mean that i worship her &more over,the greatest love &respect should be for the LORD JESUS CHRIST because he died on the cross for us to forgive our sins &one important point here is that MARY still remain a human so there is not way to worship her.
    i respect you my dear mother &i love you alot.
    MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL ALWAYS……

    April 30th, 2006 at 5:44 pm

40. Ferdinant Nallengara says:

    In the article Servant of God, Jill clearly states following.

    1. God chose Mary to be the mother of Jesus.
    “Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.” (Luke 1:30-31)
    2. Mary exclaimed, “Behold I am a handmaid of the Lord.” (Luke 1:38

    3. The power of the Most High will overshadow you(Mary); therefore the child(Jesus) to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

    Here, the first sentence was what God had to inform Mary. Even though he used one Angel to reveal this, the idea was His only. The second sentence is surely the answer from Mary. The third again is disclosure from God’s side.

    If we combined sentence 1 and 3 we get a clear picture as below.

    God choose Mary to be the mother of the Son of God.

    Here Jill likes to see Mary as Servant of God, as Mary herself wanted to see her. But I want to see Mary as God wanted to see her.

    Is there any problem Jill?

    We all know, the son of a man is only a man. Just like that the son of God is without any doubt is only God. The feminine of man is woman. I don’t know the feminine of God. Surely Mary is that one, if not to be called God.

    What I have pointed above is not a finding of mine own. It is clearly written in the Bible as direct revealing of God. But people better like to avoid what God wanted them to be, instead they will find some easy steps that they can argue, of course they have got their point too from the Bible. I am not against them.

    By Jill.

    April 30th, 2006 at 7:01 pm

41. shoshana says:

    Dearest Jill,
    In your article you stated : “In this context the Virgin Mary is the untouchable vessel of God – a gateway of Light“. Since when is Mary or any other person outside of Yehshua (Jesus) a gateway of light? There is nothing said in the passages you quoted or in any other passages of the bible that lends support to that statement. Dear one Mary is not a gateway of light, that concept in itself has an eastern religious origin connected to concepts such as meditation. There is but one gateway to God the father, one intermediary and that is Yeshua, the rest are mere mortals, sinners in need of salvation, the same as you and I. That of course very much includes virgin Mary.
    Yes, she was a virgin and found favor with God the father but that does not make her a gateway to the father much less an object of adoration, venerate, worship and decidedly not intersection, and no she is not a protector nor can she be one. It does not matter how many man-made dogmas say so. During Yehshua’s ministry he refuted many well learned men such as the Pharisees because their dogma had gone beyond the father’s written Torah (law) and what makes any church better that they should come up with some other dogma that also goes beyond the father’s Torah?
    The reason we have so many churches today is because of the many dogmas OF MAN, all of which like the Pharisees and Sadducees have gone beyond the FATHER”S LAWS.
    Man can invent all the dogmas as we say in Spanish “habidos y por haber” (that had been and will be) but that does not make any of them right. Yehsua lived the life of a real Torah observant Jew, and as such he will return, he never started any new religion, they were all Jews who accepted Yehsua as the promised Messiah and to whom the proper way of following Torah had been explained by Rabbi (teacher) Yeshua.
    Sure there have been many apparitions and other “miracles” attributed to Mary, but as Hardy correctly explained the bible indicates that these will take place, and many more and greater ones as well. These are the end times, when the anti Messiah reveals himself he will perform many great miracles and a great many will be deceived. He will call out for peace, love, not judging others, brotherhood, etc but he will be as phony as a three dollar bill. Notice please where many of these so called “miracles” take place: where there are many bible ignorant people who just listen and believe what they have been told from the pulpit for generations not searching the word for themselves.
    No man should call Mary their mother, she was just a whiling vessel that God the father used to bring his precious son into the world, for this she is blessed. Nevertheless she is just as holy (the word holy means set apart) as any other believer, Jew or gentile, who purposes to follow Messiah Yehsua in his heart and does so to the best of their ability. She can not intercede for any of us any more than the man in the moon. She needed the blood of the lamb to receive salvation the same as the rest of us. There is only one gateway to heaven: Messiah Yeshua.

    April 30th, 2006 at 8:16 pm

42. shoshana says:

    Querida Veronica (la Nicaraguense):

    Te puedo asegurar que la virgen Maria nunca jamas a salvado ni protejido a ninguna persona. Los santos y las virgenes no pueden protejer a nadie, solo nuestro padre celestial puede hacer eso cuando se lo pedimos en el nombre de sus hijo el Mesias.
    Comprendo perfectamente bien tus sentimientos, yo tambien perdi mi patria por causa del maldito comunismo, pero creemelo la salvacion de mis hermanos nicaraguenses no tiene nadita que ver con Maria. Eso es un mito perpetuado para desgracia de todos los latinos, por la iglesia catolica.
    En las sagradas escrituras no hay tal cosa. El problema que tenemos en nuestros paises es que la gente no lee y estudia la palabra como Dios manda y aparte de eso hay mucha gente humilde que se dejan llevar por lo que dice un cura por el respeto que muchos le tienen, y sobre todo por la tradiccion que fue inculcada en nuestros pueblos desde Espana. Te imploro a que estudies bien la palabra de rabo a cabo, dejando a un lado las ensenazas del hombre, porque al final de cuents a la hora de compadecer delante del Creador toda nuestra falta de conocimient biblicos por cualquier motivo que sea no nos va a poder servir de excusa. Solamente la sangre del Mesias nos sirve cuando nos toque la hora, el solamente es nuestra salvacion, el y solamente es nuestro intersesor y nuestro protector.
    No te dejes engatusar por los tal llamados “Milagros” que supuestament hace alguna virgen; la biblia nos ensena que en los ultimos dias esto va a pasar con mayor frecuencia, ignoralo y concentrate en el Mesias, que es el unico que vale. Maria y los santos eran todos pecadores igual que tu y yo, y todos incluyendola a ella, necesitamos la sangre del Mesias. Ella no fue escojida por no haber sido pecadora, porque esta escrito que todos someos pecadores; ella fue escojida porque su lineaje judio era el correcto y porque nuestro padre celestial sabia que ella hiba a acceder y a hacer la madre adecuada para el Mesias. Todos, pero todos somos pecadores desde Adan y Eva, desgraciadamente la iglesia ha embaucado a muchos y de paso le ha sacado mucha plata a la gente con el cuentecito de que Maria es una santa que debe ser venerada. Eso de venerar a Maria es realmente un insulto a Dios ya que si asi fuese no necesitariamos a que su hijo viniera a morir por nosotros lo cual rendiria a su muerte en vano. Estudia la biblia a fondo.

    .

    April 30th, 2006 at 8:16 pm

43. raquel says:

    Dear JILL,
    what a beautiful segment about THE VIRGEN MARY.
    God is using you to get to all of us aroung the world.

    I got deeply touch by Mary message. She call her self, (Servant of Mary),
    Servant of Mary, I will pray for you every day when a pray the Rosary. Hang in there , don’t give up, JESUS LOVES YOU, please keep praying, good things will come to you.

    To Marge,
    Well said, thank you.

    Sometimes I get confused with all the debates. Senor Salvador seemes to Know a lot about the Bible and Catholicism and Mr. Hardy too. I’ll keep studying my BIBLE, the GOSPELS and more.
    Thanks again JILL
    I read all the comments. I like some better than other but, I am learning a lot.

    DIOS te BENDIGA.
    GOD BLESS YOU!

    Sayonara,
    Rachell

    May 1st, 2006 at 2:00 am

44. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Peace dear brothers & Sisters in Christ

    Scripture tells us call no man your Father, Now we have people tellings us not to call Mary Mother - GREAT isn’t it?

    also check this comment:
    Notice please where many of these so called “miracles” take place: where there are many bible ignorant people who just listen and believe what they have been told from the pulpit for generations not searching the word for themselves.”

    For miracles have to be seen with the eyes of FAITH, according to Christ with Faith we will be able to move mountains. If apparations have taken place in a particular place, it only shows the faith/or lack of faith of the people there. One should note that not everyone in that place believed immediately, because someone told them we have seen Our Mother or Christ, Signs and Miracles had to happen for people to believe.

    My Dear Brothers/Sisters in the Catholic Faith, remain firm, and do not let arguments and counter attacks waiver you. We have a heritage of 2000 years, and all teachings go back to the Apostles, nothing has been added on. If one tells you a Dogma is only a few years old, it is because the teaching was always there, but when people twist and turn the teaching, the Pope with his infallible authority steps in to classify it as a Dogma of the Church. And as a Catholic One is bound to adhere to a Dogma.

    The Many Churches that have sprung up are specifically those which have refused to adhere to a Dogma, calling it a recent teaching - THE FACT IS IT IS NOT. Check this out in your parish with your Priest or a Spiritual Director. Don’t take my word for it. And definitely do not take a Non Catholic word for it.
    God Bless

    May 1st, 2006 at 7:00 am

45. Hardy Thomas says:

    My Dear Brother Salvador.
    What are you saying? Well I still would like to remind you we are talking about the Subject on whether Mary the Earthly Mother of Our Lord should become a Goddess or Not.
    I.E. a Human who is blessed by god should be given the status of God or not.
    If ever the subject of demons arrive then we can talk about it.
    And for your interpretation of the Chapter 1 of genesis along with Chapter 2 Well I say that my brother there is confusion in your mind. Let me help you rather you interpret it in your own personal level.
    Are there any contradictions? Well there are none.
    Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east . . .’ (Genesis 2:8) and, ‘Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field . . .’ (Genesis 2:19 with emphasis added), it is clearly seen that chapter 2 states that the plants and animals were formed before Adam. When Adam named the animals (Genesis 2:20), they obviously were already in existence. There is no contradictory significance in the order of animals listed in Genesis 2:20; it is probably the order in which Adam met the animals, while the order of their creation is given in Genesis 1:20-25.
    The purpose of Genesis 2:18-25 is not to give another account of another creation process but to show that there was no kinship whatsoever between Adam and the animals. None was like him, and so none could provide fellowship or companionship for him. Why not? Because Adam had not evolved from them, but was ‘a living soul’ whom God had created ‘in His own image’ (Genesis 2:7 and 1:27). This means (among other things) that God created Adam to be a person whom He could address, and who could respond to and interact with Him.
    Will Jehovah give a contradiction to his own words? Never, my friend!!
    Secondly my friend you are a true member of the Catholic Church. I am very my happy to know that fact. But do you know what the meaning of “Catholic” is. If you would have known then you wouldn’t have said those words that you say.
    The term “Catholic” refer to the notion that all Christians are part of one Church, regardless of denominational divisions. When the believers were first named they were called as Christians not Catholic Christians. And when there were great number of denominations formed the Holy order of Saints and Bishops and Priests around the world came to form the Holy Catholic Church and the Holy Apostolic Church, so that all believers fall into one same Body of Christ.
    None say that the 33000 denominations are the ones that are saved and the others are doomed. It’s not the Church that gives us a salvation ticket to go the heaven. It’s us, our deeds and our belief (the foremost) that opens the gate to salvation.
    More than 75% of the Lineage spoke about Mary as a goddess. So what?. The people who Said Christ is a person who blasphemies the word of God was more than the believers at that time.
    Does this mean that whatever the majority says is true? Not necessary.
    Yes you do. Yes you quote the Scriptures when you recite the Hail Mary. But till where? Let’s see “Hail Mary. Full of grace the Lord is with thee (so is he with us). Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the Fruit of thy Womb Jesus” And the remaining part “Holy Mary Mother of God Pray for us sinners now at the hour of our death. Amen.” Well I do not find this in the scripture.
    Well as you have said about the Catholic Churches show you a lineage that goes back to the Apostles, and the Apostles by laying of hands, passed on the authority to preach to others. I hope and pray that this lineage is there in all the other churches. Well is does go in all the churches (except the Pentecostal Churches). But my friend, that is something that can be neglected as the scripture says. In Hebrews 6 “Let us go forward to mature teaching and leave behind the first lessons of the Christian message. We should not lay again the foundation of turning away from useless works and believing in god, of the teaching of Baptisms, and the laying of hands, of the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. Let us go forward!! And this is what we will do if God allows.”
    My friend… Mary the blessed mother of Jesus Christ is truly blessed of all women, even the ones that have come and the ones that will come. She is the true symbol of faith and humbleness. But she is definitely not the doorway to Jesus. Jehovah has said that “This is my beloved son in whom I’m well pleased,” not “This is my beloved son and that is Mary his mother in whom I’m well pleased”
    God be with everyone in the world and enlighten newer hearts, ones that has never known him, to the everlasting glory. God be with you all. Amen.

    May 1st, 2006 at 7:16 am

46. Hardy Thomas says:

    shoshana.. my friend.. I am very happy to read your comment.. May the love of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all and bless you all throughout eternity

    May 1st, 2006 at 7:18 am

47. Hardy Thomas says:

    Peace dear brothers & Sisters in Christ
    Salvador my brother,
    You said…Scripture tells us call no man your Father, Now we have people telling us not to call Mary Mother - GREAT isn’t it?
    That isn’t great at all, my friend. What is so great about that? Again you have interpreted it in your own words. You must first learn that the lineage has always considered the Father to be the head of the family. And Jehovah meant “call no man your Father, You have your father in heaven” clearly means that once you have accepted your father in heaven as your father then there is no earthly relation that you have. That means if there is no earthly head then the earthly body (as the family is one body with the father of the house as its head) automatically gets perished. That’s the reason why Christ himself said. I am not come to bring peace but a sword.
    Matthew 10: 34: “Think not that I (Jesus) am sent to bring peace on the earth: I came not to send peace but a sword.”
    Matthew 10: 34: “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”
    Verse 37: “He that loveth his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me.”
    Here he talks about Human Father and Mothers and the outcome of different people putting their faith in him… IN HIM. That is why he has said that we have a mother above. And that is Jerusalem of the heaven. Once you have taken Jehovah as your father who is above, then you already have a mother above that is Jerusalem of heaven. (Galatians).
    And for the information of all the eyes of faith to be put in a place where you see a miracle would rather not be a good advice. As it is written, if you have seen a spirit, test it to see if it comes from God. Well the idea of Faith moving mountains is not that tomorrow with our faith we will go and move the Mount Everest. It is a metaphor… meaning the biggest of obstacles are moved by faith, that we Christians experience in our everyday life.
    Also you yourself said “Notice please where many of these so called “miracles” take place: where there are many bible ignorant people who just listen and believe what they have been told from the pulpit for generations not searching the word for themselves.”
    And you yourself say “We have a heritage of 2000 years, and all teachings go back to the Apostles, nothing has been added on.”
    Aren’t you contradicting your own statement of by showing that you follow a 2000 years heritage, without even searching the word for yourself?
    Well if you do not know then the first church of Mary the immaculate was not of 2000 years before. It’s around the 7th century AD. The first church was discovered amidst ruins where they saw the angel like (not sure if these were angels) statues in four corners and in the center was a statue of a woman who had a beast under her feet trampled.” People didn’t know the origin of this room. And they called it as the church of mother Mary without even knowing who it is. There is a second finding. Ask your priest and he will tell you there are no fixed findings about the origin of the Church of Mother Mary. There is also a second finding. The one I leave it to everyone to find it for themselves.

    God bless you

    May 1st, 2006 at 8:16 am

48. Hardy Thomas says:

    Dear jill…

    I did like your point in here
    The mind is a powerful force that can lead you off in many different directions. Your mind even has the power to keep you from applying the teaching of Jesus as we can all see by the comments posted on the Pathway of Peace article – the message of the article was about applying the teaching of Jesus to everyday life; “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.” (John 15:12) but instead many of you ended up discussing Mary. Can you see how easily your mind can distract you?

    Clearly shows that many have placed Mary before Jesus

    God bless you my friend

    May 1st, 2006 at 8:22 am

49. Hardy Thomas says:

    I am amazed by your thinking friend johnnmensah

    What he means is that the present day yougsters Girls should see if they are worthy that god would find them clean and sanctified enough so that he can identify them as a person where he can even think about you to be a chosen one like Mary.

    May the lord guide you all to eternal salvation

    May 1st, 2006 at 8:28 am

50. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brother Hardy.
    Please note, I am not disputing that God is the creator. And I am not saying that God erred, because I know that the Bible is God’s word, written under inspiration by Man, we do not claim that God wrote it. There have been different traditions that have gone in presenting the Scripture to Mankind. Man in his understanding has erred, like those who are interpretting are erring. You will understand this, if you consider Jesus’ question, about David calling him Lord.
    Mar 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
    Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.” And even then Scripture tells us that Jesus was referred to as Son of David.
    If Scripture was so plain and simple to understand the Jews would have recongised their Messiah, because all things pointed to him.

    Now just to show, that just taking parts of scripture like you have done in your answer, (not put down the whole statement but part of it) one can give a different meaning, I have copied complete text from the KJV Bible.
    Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
    Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
    Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
    See in the sequence that it is placed, Genesis 2 talks about God placing Man in the Garden first, and then creating the beast, and when it was found that none could be a companion to Man, God created a Woman.

    Please get it off your mind, that Catholics have made Mother Mary a God or Goddess, we have not - WE VENERATE HER, WE ADORE HER, WE ASK HER TO INTERCEEDE FOR US, BUT WE DO NOT WORSHIP HER. And before you get back to me saying ADORE also means Worship - Let me ask you, do people adore their children or not - In this adoration, we are only showering Love on our loved ones.

    Sad isn’t it - The One person that God himself exalted, is a bone of contention.

    I can keep going on this blog, because I truly love my Mother, and I will try my best to convince you if you can be convinced, that if you do not wish to give her, her dues, do not stop others from doing so.

    God Bless you

    May 1st, 2006 at 8:38 am

51. Hardy Thomas says:

    Dear Brother Salvador

    My friend… Here again you have missed the main part of the Chapter and so have brought only the versus. Check out the Title of the Chapter. Its Rightfully said “GARDEN OF EDEN” When god made the universe he just didn’t start in one spot on earth. It was throughout. If you see the second chapter you will find that the title to this chapter is the “Garden of Eden”. It’s the happening of that place that he is talking about. When god saw that in this place that he had made man, there was nothing close to him. So he helped him by getting the same animals again out of sand over there in EDEN itself and so that they would know each other and he would have total control of them. And that beautiful place of Eden will have everything encompassed that he had created in the world.
    The previous animals and birds were there throughout the earth.
    Yes indeed the Jews could have. But in their ignorance and doubt they have failed to understand that it’s the Messiah that is speaking and the Lord is the one who is going to put the enemies as a footstool. Even thou some understood they still did not want due to their corrupt minds. Read the remaining of the Chapter and you will understand
    Whom are you referring as “Catholics”? I am a too catholic. As I follow the holy catholic and apostolic church. WE ALSO VENERATE HER, WE ADORE HER, WE LOVE HER, BUT WE DO NOT ASK HER TO INTERCEEDE FOR US, BECAUSE WE INTERCEED ONLY WITH THE HOLY ORDER OF THE TRINITY.
    Please do not tell me that you don’t worship her. There are many Roman Catholic church that are Mount Mary’s Church, Mariam Immaculate Church etc. When did God or Christ give Mary the right to have her own body? Her own congregation?
    Yes it is indeed sad that one human woman who is declared by god as the blessed of all women is given the status near to Christ. That is God himself.
    I can never stop anything. But pray that the best happens to the believers of the entire world
    God Bless you

    May 1st, 2006 at 10:20 am

52. John S. Morris says:

    Hi Jill!

    Thanks for the article on Mary. I think Mary the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ should be held with the highest esteem above any ordinary person as such. She is a mother of all.

    May 1st, 2006 at 10:57 am

53. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brother Hardy,

    I don’t want to make this an argument between us two, you have stated your facts, I have mine, both of us have referred to the Bible.
    Let those who truly are Catholic discern. Because all Catholics know the status of Mary in our Faith.

    The Churches you refer to, are names that a particular parish uses St. Michael’s, Don Bosco, St. Thomas etc., and you call yourself a Catholic.

    God Bless you

    May 1st, 2006 at 11:00 am

54. Hardy Thomas says:

    Dear Brother Salvador
    A wonderful idea is the former one what you have said but the latter is to be answered. Yes the names of Churches are of prominence here as the followers of the apostles have made the Churches by their names. But the center stone of these churches is Christ himself. If you visit our churches and you will find that there is only one thing in the entire church that denotes the messiah… the holy Cross, by means of which the world is dead to me and I am dead to the world. Unlike your church of Mary the immaculate, where the center stone is Mary and there is a small statue of Jesus near her or somewhat towards the side.
    In my previous message I have denoted the exact meaning of the word “Catholic”. For your understanding the term “Catholic” means that all Christians are part of one Church, regardless of denominational divisions. And So I do call Myself a Catholic

    Peace be with you and all in this forum

    May 1st, 2006 at 11:22 am

55. Annie says:

    thx

    May 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pm

56. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brother Hardy,
    I would have not answered, but you said I need to answer. So here is the meaning of the word Catholic
    according to
    Encarta Dictionary: English (North America)

    Catholic (Adjective)

    1. Roman Catholic – belonging to or characteristic of the Roman Catholic Church
    2. Christian – belonging to the community of all Christian Churches
    3.Of the historical united church – belonging to the united Christian church that existed, before its separation into different churches, or to any church that regards itself as continuing the traditions of that united church.
    Well we understand Catholic as in 3, when if comes to our Faith, because Luther in his reformation protested, and hence, are called as Protestants.
    About idols, I have answered in another blog, the statue of Mary in the Church is not Mother Mary, its like a photograph of your loved one that you carry in your wallet, it is not the loved one, but a reminder of your loved one.
    For us the most important place in the church is the TABERNACLE, where the REAL presence of Christ is enshrined.

    God Bless

    May 1st, 2006 at 1:20 pm

57. Jill Warner says:

    Dearest Beloved Salvador and Thomas,

    Truly I admire your passion for Truth. Words can be very tricky and like the mind can lead you off into many different directions. Let me re-iterate to both of you that the blessed Mary is a pointer to her Son Jesus Christ - to God. Of course it is all right to love her, to honor her by veneration, but there is a fine line between love and worship. Remember the analogy of the rainbow? If you stare at my finger will you see the rainbow? If you focus too much on the form of Mary you can miss what she is pointing to. It is really simple my dear ones.

    I am not choosing sides here and I do not want to add to the complexity of your already complex dialog. This is why Jesus asks us to: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” (Matthew 22:37) and “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 22:39). This is no ordinary love. It includes loving your enemies which can be the exact opposite of how you feel and think. Loving everyone, including your perceived enemies, requires a courageous open heart.

    Love is simple and profoundly powerful. Love has the capacity to hold both the unity and the separateness of Christianity. The truth is there are many different denominations. You can choose to see them as separate or as the unified body of Christ, but this is simply a choice. Love does not deny either choice it simply sees both the unity and separateness as one Body of Jesus Christ.

    Please turn your attention back to what Jesus is asking us to do – To Love. Your discussion, although very interesting, is leading you both away from this fundamental teaching. I encourage you both to continue reading scripture and bringing your wisdom to this blog. What I would like to hear from both of you is how your love for Jesus Christ and his teachings has helped you in your life.

    Let us all have compassion for one another as we take a deep look at the teaching of Jesus Christ. Together we are learning a lot about the scripture and this blog is a great context for helping each other apply the teaching of Jesus in our everyday lives. There is absolutely no need to fight one another. We all have a deep love for Jesus Christ. Let us all rest in this amazing love.

    Thank you both for your heart felt contribution.

    Peace be with You
    Yours in Truth - Jill

    May 1st, 2006 at 1:32 pm

58. David says:

    THank you for that blog! I had in mind everything in mind even before this blog..but thank you Lord for giving this person the courage to poet this blog for all creation..I love You God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit..AMEN

    May 1st, 2006 at 2:02 pm

59. David says:

    Thank you for that blog! I had all this in mind even before this blog..but thank you Lord for giving this person the courage to post this blog for all who listen..I Love you Lord..AMEN

    May 1st, 2006 at 2:06 pm

60. Hardy Thomas says:

    Dearest Jill

    Firstly I thankyou for this wonderful website. its a real get-together of Believers across the globe.. Well im from India. and was routed to this website by accident. And when I came to know its real mission then i thought how wonderful it will be to be part of this great community.

    The fact still remains that Me and my brother Salvador can have a never ending debate on this topic but what metters is the strenght and the depth of our faith. Its that undying faith and loyalty that christ was talking about, which i have seen by the words that each and everyone here has used. Its that depth of faith that is the road to salvation.

    But in the end me and Salvador and all in this community and all the believers in the world remain brothers in faith and reverence to the Lord. That relation no force on earth can change.

    Well I never consider myself wise. but if there is some wsdom left in me then i will be very highly obliged to pass it to anyone who wants to know and would love to be corrected if I am wrong.

    Peace Love and grace of our Lord Jesus christ be with you all. Amen

    May 1st, 2006 at 2:42 pm

61. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Jill,

    Thanks,

    Like I had mentioned to Brother Hardy, I am not looking for an argument that will cause a rift, but want to work towards unity of CHRISTIANS.

    I truly and sincerely love Christ. I thank God for choosing me, I realise that it was he who chose me, and not the other way round.

    Since I realise that it was not I who chose to be a Catholic, I also realise that it was not Mary who chose to be the Mother, God chose her, and this favor of God to a Woman in millions, places her very high on my list, and am sure on the list of all who love and venerate her.

    My SINCERE wish is that we CHRISTIANS all unite, to Love & Serve God as he intended us to.

    May God bless us all, and may he lead on the right path those that are in error.

    God Bless

    May 1st, 2006 at 4:21 pm

62. Hardy Thomas says:

    We are one brother Salvaodor and nothing can change that… Love you and all

    and Jill once again thankyou for this wonderful site.

    May 1st, 2006 at 4:39 pm

63. Roshan Thomas says:

    hi,
    really it was a beautiful article.may virgin mary for all us.
    roshan

    May 1st, 2006 at 4:43 pm

64. Shoshana says:

    Debates are actually healthy if they lead to greater understanding or enlighten God’s ways for mankind. Americans in general tend to shy away from debates as if somehow these were a demonstration of lack of love. I come from a country of debaters; we still love one another regardless. Actually I learn more through debates as they force me to think deeper and do more research so again they can be very healthy, too bad in the US they are looked down upon. Now for instance dear Salvador says we have people telling us not to call Mary our mother, and correctly quotes scripture telling us not to call ANY MAN your father. Well that is exactly right, Mary is a woman thus we should not call her mother because she is a woman. There is only one father and that is the one the son Yeshua called the father, Abba father, God the father. Yehsua the son taught us how to pray to the father. Only God the father or Yah as King David and some of the prophets called him (YHWH) can be called father. Beyond that to call Mary (or Miriam as she was known back then) mother would put her in the category of a goddess which she is not.
    Blessings in the name of Yeshua

    May 1st, 2006 at 11:07 pm

65. Shoshana says:

    There is a heavenly tabernacle after which the earthly one was made. Although scripture tells us eventually we will have another one when Yeshua returns, there is no longer an earthly tabernacle, not since the Roman destroyed the one in 70 CE. There are of course replicas of the tabernacle; if you ever visit the Holy Land in Orlando you will see one along with an Aaronic priestly demonstration of services, quite an enriching experience. Until the real one comes down from heaven to Yerusalem, we are told that we are living temples and to conduct ourselves accordingly.

    May 1st, 2006 at 11:08 pm

66. Shoshana says:

    Early on we actually did not have a united Christian church. The word church comes from the Greek work Ecclesia (iglesia in Spanish). This was for an organization that functioned as a governing body. In the Hebrew language that Yeshua (Jesus) and his followers spoke (although some say Yeshua spoke Aramaic, a close language to Hebrew I subscribe to the Hebrew school of thought) the word they used was kehilat or congregation. This congregation of believers was originally composed solely of JEWS, thousands of them, not just a few as some supposed. These Jews kept on being Jews, going to the Temple, and very much keeping the Father’s laws. That is what we see Yeshua doing through scripture and that is why he made declarationsquoting Tanach (the First Testament) such as in Matt. 4:4, moreover, Matt. 5:17-20 “Don’t think that I have come to abolish Torah (the law) or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah-not until EVERYTHING that must happen has happened. So whosoever disobeys the least of these mizvot (commandments) and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness is FAR greater than that of the Torah-teachers (Pharisees) and P’rushim (Sadducees), you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!” After that in verses 21-48 Yeshua goes on to make other laws straighter than they were. These were all Jews who observed Torah and went to Temple, and make no mistake about it when Yeshua returns he will do so as he left; a Jew. He is not going to look for this or that other church but for his bride, the Jewish kehilat that is made up of Jews and grafted gentiles (Rom 11). In other words he is coming back for his bride a saved Israel and those grafted to her.
    Shalom and Yah bless you

    May 1st, 2006 at 11:10 pm

67. michelle says:

    PRAISE THE LORD!!
    DEAR JILL,
    ALL THE ARTICLES I READ FROM YOUR WEBSITE IS VERY INSPIRING,INFACT IT BOOSTS MY SPIRITUAL LIFE. BEING A YOUTH & READING THESE ARTICLES IS GOOD.
    GOD BLESS
    MICHELLE

    May 2nd, 2006 at 5:06 am

68. Marg Albert says:

    Peace be with all of you from our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.I do believe that we are completely missing the point. We are to remember that we need no middle person to reach God. We can pray directly to Him. The whole purpose of God sending His Son into the world was so that we can be saved. Not because of who we are but because of Who we belong to. Therefore, denomination does not mean anything. When we go to Heaven, all who believe that Jesus is the Son of God or the Messiah will be saved. Martin Luthur had to break away from the cathloic church of that time because they were practicing false ideas of christianity at that time! They were selling salvation. Jesus never wants us to make His house a den of thieves. So, it had to be stopped . That is part of the history and can be read in any history book. But, God saved His children through His Son . True, Mary was a virgin, she was pure…not sinless. When she carried the Savior , she carried her Savior as well. Jesus was sent because God loves us unconditionally! Jesus is the new covenant between God and man and takes away the sin caused by Adam and Eve and continuing to this present time. He saved us out of Love and when He died on the cross, He saw all our faces and forgave us all. So, let us remember that it was the love of Jesus that saves us and that we are to pray to God always! In hIs love, Marg

    May 2nd, 2006 at 6:08 am

69. Hardy Thomas says:

    Shoshana.. you continue to amaze me my dear friend…
    and aslo Marg… May god bless everyone here… and Jill.. this is called enlightenment.. surely the Lord will be pleased with you for enlighting many in the world with your wonderful website.

    Love you all and humbly pray fro all Christians of the world to stay unified..

    May 2nd, 2006 at 6:55 am

70. Kassa Yitbarek says:

    Hi Jill

    My deepest thanks.
    This is one of our challenging belief point here in Ethiopia.
    May I envite all to read with concentration?

    God Beless You

    May 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 am

71. Heinrich September says:

    Hi Jill

    Thanks for this wonderfull article. Can you believe it there are still religious leaders who do not believe in the virginity birth of Mary. These are stats which is been given by our local Christian radio station. I hope they also read this article to become believers. May God touch their hearts so that they can also experience His miraculous power and love and not questioning His word.

    God bless

    Heinrich

    May 2nd, 2006 at 10:49 am

72. Hardy Thomas says:

    Hello My friend Heinrich,

    Yes my friend, Sadly there are many religious leaders that have questioned the power of Jehovah by placing the virginity of Mary’s into the limelight.

    Well you can tell them. If the devil can cause illness inside our body (with or without physical contact) then the almighty who is a million and thrillion infact infinitely powerful than the devil can also create a life inside a body. And so he has, by bringing the Messiah into the world from a Virgin Mary who is holy.

    God be with you

    May 2nd, 2006 at 11:05 am

73. Marge says:

    Hi,

    is everybody believed that we are brothers in siters? Yes/No
    if yes, let us analyse the family in a very simple and practical situation in our life that every body can relay. a family has a father mother & children, the father govern the family he is the one who set the rules, policies and provide all the needs inside the family, he is the head, a provider and a ruler. how about the mother, a mother not been given that much important inside the family most of the time “but” no one came in this world without a mother, main responsibility bearer and supporter to take care the children give moral support, and to be always at their side and take note a mother knows more when it comes to they children rather than the father (i’m talking about a human family here), a mother cant say yes or no to their children because only the father has the full authority towards childrens,but since she knows what was their children wants she can atleast relay it to their father. now let say a father choose one of his best son and give him all the authority towards his children saying this is my beloved son listen to him, then the son give his full commandments “Love one another as I Love You” This is the challenge, because the father has choosen one other children tried their best to impress their father everybody try to give their most/best to shows that they are on the son and father side, very impressive all his children is studying very well to be pleasing to their father, but the question is do you think Father and his choosen son is happy while his children is in chaos because of full of inteligence but lack of love, for example in the family, for all the father specaily, do you think you will be happy if you see your children being divided, fighting because of their individual faith, where is the commandments it so simple “to love one another as i have love you” brother and sister i beleive faith without action is dead (action of love), just like love needs to be supported with action. i dont think God has commanded us to depends each others faith NO right he say love one another.
    thank you jill for being in the centre of this two, actually im proud for both of them because they know what the bible say but i’m not happy because i feel the trouble from the father side, he is not happy on what is happening to his children. there is no need for us to be in heaven and see God face to face to see the sadness on his eyes on what is happening, just close your eyes and pretend that you are the creator then open and see what is happening to the world do you think you will be happy? please borther and sister let us help each other cultivate world so that it will blooms to each original beauty, let us be united, love is within us we cannot find it anywhere, love is in the heart not on the mind, higher education cannot give us love certificate only we can discover it in our selves even you are a moron, even if you memorise and understand and reflect the all the words from the bible if you dont have love we are useless. I love you guys..
    next time i want to read your encounter with jesus in your life, how your faith change your life into a better person, rather than fight for your fight. thanks all, thank you jill, thank you Father, thank you lord Jesus, and thank you mother Mary for saying yes to Gods call.

    May 2nd, 2006 at 2:24 pm

74. Marge says:

    Dear Jill,

    Please do tell me, correct me if i did say something wrong on my comments,

    Thanks
    Marge

    May 2nd, 2006 at 2:33 pm

75. Titus says:

    Jill, while much is talked about Mary Mother of Jesus, little do people especially our fellow Christians realize thta Jesus and Mary waiked all through their lifes in the light. Remember Cana of Galillee, Jesus was requested…. by Mary his mother and he comp;ied. without a word. On the way to Calvary, Mary and Jesus while on suffering.. met. They both were sorrowful and saddened. Remember Jesus upon passing on on the cross, when his body was taken down from the crucifix, it was laid on Mary’s hands… just like she held baby Jesus upon birth, the Christmas we commemorate. The notable difference here is that this time Jesus was lifeless and booming with life like the baby Jesus. Jesus was clotheless unlike the babby who needed warmth from the biting cold of winter night. Tell the world, Mary and Jesus are inseparable hence the weepping statue and the apparation. While should Mary weep through statues? when the cry of Jesus this time not on the cross but on the throne, witnessing the futility of his death for our sins and how wasteful was his pain and suffering, the world has really let him down. Mary is warning the sinnful world to change into honour and rigtheuousness to render the work of her son fruitful. She continues to intercede for us not fro material gains but our lifes to be saved through the blood of his son. Children with AIDS are being brutally murdered by their custodians, the world is changing to commercialize sex and vice and even licensing and taxing them, Gay rights are being recognized and…. ordination of Gay celebacy and name it. Mary certainly will wail and weep for her sons death on the cross has missed the aim and purpose

    May 2nd, 2006 at 4:10 pm

76. OME says:

    Dear Jill.
    this article SERVANT OF GOD was really great. i liked it.i am a catholic and i recognise the virgin mary’s role. i still say that she is not the way to salvation. Jesus is. and for the upteenth time we catholics DON’T worship her. we honour her because she bore Jesus. we DON’T pray to her, we ask her to PRAY WITH US to Jesus.Christians cannot wish her away she was relevant then and is relevant now. thomas hardy, recall the wedding at cana Jesus STILL performed the miracle even though his time had not yet come because Mary asked. for those of you who think catholics worship her we don’t. theres a differnce between worship and honour. worship is for God.
    what do you think of the apparitions of the virgin mary and her statues that cry ? it sends a message for the world to repent. our focus now shouldnt be whether mary is or is not. it should be are we ready for the second coming?, do we love our neighbours enough to share the good news with them and pray for their salvation? let us not be like the 5 foolish virgins in Jesus name i pray Amen.
    thanks jill and all who contribute to this blog. i love you all. you guys are my friends even if i havent seen you and dont even know you. i feel this bond, this closeness each time i read this blog. you are my family and i love you all.
    OME.

    May 2nd, 2006 at 4:19 pm

77. anthony says:

    God bless you with more insight to reveal the true teachings of God ,unbaised as the Spirit wants.Thanks for your disposal to the free gifts of God and just i usually say to all that cares to listen that “there is much more to life than the light of intellectual understanding “only if we can as believers,just stop degrading God by trying to use “intellect” to define His teachings and ways! ‘HIS THOUGHTS ARE ABOVE OURS AND HIS WAYS ARE NOT OURS’
    THANKS AGAIN AND GOD BLESS’

    May 2nd, 2006 at 6:06 pm

78. Hardy Thomas says:

    My dear brothers and sisters…

    Remember that Jehovah knows what is going to happen next and what his plans are for the future and for the coming of the messiah… The date the time and everything is fixed. Everything is done according to his word. Jesus died on the cross to fulfill his fathers command and the promise his father, our Lord, gave to mankind. Thus showing the world how much he loves us as Jesus even though being his only son is sacrificed in front of him. He did this because of the unsurpassed love he has to us as he had promised to fulfill the solemn promise of redemption of the sins of mankind by his own blood. This was to bring in, all those who believed in him, a new being.

    As dear brother Titus has rightfully shown about the changes of the world, it is not a topic for Jesus to weep. Because the book of revelation shows us that everything of this was already foreseen by our father in heaven, and Jesus knows it too.

    Jesus is not weeping now. But he is getting ready to come on this white horse along with a sword to judge the living and the dead.

    We all have turned weak by our hearts, and our faith. We are not having the same strength in our faith that our forefathers used to have. We have made ourselves busy in many areas and are turning self-centered. We aren’t even ready to help someone who is being mobbed right in front of us. We aren’t even ready to help a sad mother who has no money for her daily needs as her children have abandoned her. We have forgotten values in our families such that when our parents are aged we have a place to send them… an old people’s home. We want to be free without tension, even if it means giving tension to our parents and everyone around us. “What the heck! Who cares!” is one great line that present day youngsters use mostly throughout the world.

    We in our daily lives are so aggressive and perverse that we hide our real self behind and reveal a fake decency, mostly to gain attention of the opposite gender. But when night falls, most of us are worst than a ravaging wolf, engaged in watching porn movies or at a friends place with some girls and overdo many other filthy habits.

    Are we ready to change? Yes we all would love to, and many have even tried, but somehow still have fallen back to the same trap again and again. We all want to but somehow cant. But blessed are those that have overcome the temptations.

    We all know Jesus has told us to love. What love is he speaking of. Love of a Man and women? Love of a son and Father, mother and daughter, brother and sister, boyfriend and girlfriend. It isn’t that easy Love our Lord is talking about. He is talking about that unsurpassed love that has no boundaries. One which gives us courage to lift up a poor downtrodden child from Somalia and kiss it on its cheek. Love that is ready to help a person about to be killed prevented by us even if it matters to our life. Love full of compassion and affection. Love ready to take humility for someone else and that is what god, the father wants us to do. Lay down our lives for our friends.

    Haven’t we sometimes felt that someone should understand our feelings because we meant to help them? But when we see that we are left alone. It pains deep within. This is the same pain everyone else undergo due to our daily actions.

    So are we ready for it? Are we ready to provide that unsurpassed love? Like how our Father has showed us his love by sacrificing his son for us!

    We should ask this question to ourselves once in a day.

    And I know with efforts of Jill there are many that will surely understand the meaning of this unsurpassed love.

    The Lord is with us my brothers and sisters

    May 2nd, 2006 at 6:44 pm

79. Hardy Thomas says:

    Galatians 3: verse 19

    Peace to you all

    May 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pm

80. Smita says:

    Praise GOD Jill,
    Just wanted to THANK GOD and you for this beautiful word you have just put down and so very precisely you have touched all the minute details and needs of the hour.Yes IN WHAT ARE WE SERVICE TO NOW ? Thank you Jill for asking this question which may be the LORD asks us every moment. Also i am very mush comvinced with the fact you revealed how mind takes us away from His love and Grace. This little mind of ours just cannot HOLD or imagine the EMMENCE LOVE AND GRACE AND INFINITE MERCY but only by faith can we experince it. Thanks Jill once again and May GOD Bless you.

    May 3rd, 2006 at 4:23 am

81. Marg Albert says:

    May the peace of God which passes all understnding, keep our Hearts and our Minds in faith in Christ Jesus ,our Lord. Amen

    May 3rd, 2006 at 5:06 am

82. Venky says:

    Dear Jill,
    I regard Mother Mary as the pure form of love. She has great healing powers. For on many occassions, I have prayed to Mary and healed my pain or discomfort. As you rightly said Mary was Jesus’ disciple and she received the gift of healing from the Lord.As we keep praying we receive various gifts from God - the gift of healing, the gift of tongues, the gift of prophecy etc. Mary is a mighty tool in the hands of the Lord who heals by her love and compassion for humanity.
    God bless

    May 3rd, 2006 at 5:22 am

83. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Way to go Brother Venky.
    Only problem is some people misunderstand the word ‘PRAY’ when we use it in context with Pray to Mary and Saints. I hope they will realise that when we Pray to Mother Mary and Saints, we are ASKING them to intercede, just as most of our CHRISTIAN brothers/sisters ask each other to pray for each other.

    KEEP UP YOUR FAITH and TRUST IN MOTHER MARY - After all Christ gave her to us as a MOTHER. Hope all the Catholics reading you are encouraged by your reply.

    Thereis a difference between Jesus as a Mediator and The Saints and Mother as Intercessors

    God Bless

    May 3rd, 2006 at 11:21 am

84. Hardy Thomas says:

    What then was the purpose of the law? It was added in order to show what wrongdoing is, and it was mean to last until the coming of Abraham’s descendant, to whom the promise was made. The Law was handed down by angels with a man acting as a intervener. But an intervener is not needed when only one person is involved; and God is one. The good news bible Galatians chapter 3 verse 19 & 20.

    If we give thought clearly to the scriptures it clearly states that Mary the Virgin Mother was to remain a virgin only for the birth of Jesus Christ. But was she a virgin after that?
    Read carefully

    Matthew 1:24-25 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
    And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son and he called his name JESUS.

    Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, Joses, Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

    Matthew 12:46- 49 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
    Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
    But he answered and said unto him that told him, who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
    And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, behold my mother and my brethren!

    Mark 3: 34-35: Who is my mother? And who are my brothers? He looked at the people sitting around him and said, “Look! Hers are my Mothers and my Brothers! Whoever does what God wants him to do is my Brother, my sister, my mother.

    Peace to all dear bretheren

    May 3rd, 2006 at 3:09 pm

85. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ,

    When the Gospels speak of the “brothers and sistrs” of Jesus, they do not mean other children of Mary. The Hebrew words were very broad, could cover any sort of relationship. For that matter, modern English uses these words even more broadly for members of fratenities etc.,

    The Catholic Church (CCC 963-975) teaches us that Mary is every virgin, although others disagee, quite often the matter is put to rest by a simple “It does not really matter.”

    However, by going through the scriptures in its totality, we may be certain that the Catholic Church’s teaching of Mary is absolutely right.

    For those who argue that Scripture talks about Jesus’ brothers and sisters, kindly note and keep in mind the following:

    Matthew 14:55 “He’s just a carpenter’s son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers - James, Joseph, Simon and Judas”.

    Mark 6:3 “He’s just the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon. And his sisters live right here among us”. They were deeply offended and refused to believe him.

    Names are specifically mentioned in these two verses of Scripture, whereas the other scriptures, speak generally of his brothers and sisters (See Mt. 12:46-50; Mk, 3:31-35 & Luke 8:19-21) and John 7:5 states For even his brothers didn’t believe in him.

    So does scripture intend to tell us that Mary had other sons and daughters, or are we jumping to conclusions?

    Consider this:
    John 19:25 “Standing near the cross were Jesus’ mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary (the wife of Cleopas) and Mary Magdalene.

    Matthew 27:56 “Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of Jmes and Joseph) and Zebedee’s wife, the mother of James and John”. (Also see Mark 15:40 & Luke 24:10)

    Obviously Mary’s sisters sons James and Joseph are the brothers whose names are mentioned in Matthew 14:55 and Mark 6:3

    Why do I conclude this?
    Matthew 27:61 “Both Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting nearby watching (also see Mat 28:1)

    Mark 15:47 “Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph saw where Jesus’ body was laid (also see Mark 16:1)
    So we see that although Mary Magdalene is mentioned by name, in all gospels, the other women are mentioned differently, including Mary the wife of Zebedee or Cleopas)

    Wait a minute, you would say, - The scripture states:
    MAtthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife; 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

    Absolutely true, it signifies that Jesus was born of a Virgin birth, (althoug Joseph had married Mary, he did not know her till Jesus was born) it does not signify that after Jesus was born Joseph and Mary lived a conjugal life.

    And they definitely did not have other children -

    OR ELSE, where did they leave them, when Jesus was 12 and lost in the temple and they had to go search for him?

    And also, why would John take Mary as his mother to his house, if Mary had other children?

    So do you accord the respect due to a mother to Mary our Spiritual Mother as God intended? Or do you choose rest of the scripture as Gospel truth to preach and teach and ignore (John 19:26-27) wherein Jesus gave his mother to his disciples to take as their own, and (Luke 1:39-41) which state that all generations shall call me blessed.

    One of the oldest teachings of the Church is that Mary is the New Eve. Just as the first Eve really contributed to the disaster of origianl sin, so Mary the New Eve really contributed to removing it, that is, to redeeming us. She was the Mother of the Redeemer precisely insofar as He is our Redeemer.

    My dear brother Hardy Thomas has quoted Galatians 3; This chapter clearly states that the Law is over and done with.

    My discussing Mary so vehemently has given rise to the idea, that I do not have charity and Love, quite to the contrary, I love, all my erring brothers, however, it pains me to see that Jesus died to Save and Unite us, but men are working overtime to separate us.

    Does anyone believe that because you love someone, you do not correct him, when you see him erring? (Even Scripture does not tell you to do that)? So if you correct someone does it mean you do not love him?

    And while we are on Love, my dear brothers and sisters, please check out Jill’s next posting, tell me if it brings to mind anything.

    I would like to remind One and All, that Scripture also tells us “Be not many teachers” for teachers will have a higher price to pay.

    How many of the Preachers out there are willing to wash their disciples feet - like Jesus did?

    God Bless us all, and may he unite us for his GLORY.

    May 3rd, 2006 at 5:17 pm

86. Hardy Thomas says:

    Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ,

    “The Law was handed down by angels with a man acting as a intervener.” Clearly shows that the Law is over and done with. But it says that the new revelation does not require having an intervener to Jesus as he is already intervening for us to The almighty. “But an intervener is not needed when only one person is involved; and God is one.” The good news bible Galatians chapter 3 verse 19 & 20. This means you do not require an intervener when you are talking to Christ.
    The simple fact is that the Almighty has placed Jesus as the intervener to reach him. And no double interveners.
    The first physical act described in the Bible comes after the departure from Eden: “And Adam knew Eve his wife” (”to know,” Hebrew yada, being a euphemism for sexual intercourse), “and she conceived, and bare Cain.” Adam and Eve then have a second son, Abel, and when Adam is one hundred and thirty years old he knows Eve again, fathering Seth. (didn’t mean they sat down in the corner chatting knowing about each others hobbies etc)
    Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
    And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son, clearly states that he had a relation with her after Jesus was born, unless we would like to point an error in the Bible now.
    The Roman Catholic Church’s teaching about Mary may be right for them as they have created this belief. But the Charismatic Catholic Church is one which does not believe in this Roman Catholic created dogma of praying to Saints, mother Mary etc. The Charismatic Catholic church too has the same apostles that have created the church but we do not pray to them or any other man made dogmas. We pray to the almighty trinity.
    Just yesterday I did come across three Roman Catholic members and met their Rev. Father. I did ask them the simple question “Why do you worship Mother Mary”. (I asked “Worship”) Their answer was, “Because she was the divine Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ, we worship her and she is our lady immaculate.” I asked nothing more.
    Well as it is…if even once the scripture speaks about the incident of Jesus’s Brothers and sisters is mentioned then it is true. But it is said in two verses. And I do not think the Bible “Generally” speaks about something! It speaks about specific things, things that have happened in Life History of Jesus Christ.
    When names specifying them as Jesus’s Brothers and sisters are given, they aren’t given just for name sake. They are given for the fact that there really was a relation between Jesus and his brothers.
    Well where is Joseph after the incident of the synagogue when they lost Jesus at the age of 12. Nothing has been said about Jesus’s brothers or sisters because they did not believe and it clearly is stated by Christs words.
    Mark 6: 3-4 Is he not the carpenter, 3 the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.
    Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his native place and among his own kin and in his own house.”
    Clearly shows that Jesus was unwelcome in his own house and his own kin. This means he had a set of people who are his own kin and they were his brothers and sisters.
    My quote always to everyone has been as Brothers and sisters. It’s amidst brothers and sisters that we share our thoughts openly so that we understand errors of ours and help others if they are in error. None can say that a particular person in this forum does not love another person. I love you all and am actually eager to meet Jill, Salvador, Soshana, and many more because the only thing I am actually against is not worshipping or revering to Mother Mary. (My fiancé does that… she prays to Mother Mary but my Lord knows that I have not stopped her from going against her freedom of free will that he has gifted us), but the Pentecostal concept of re-baptism.
    As Brother Salvador says rightly “God bless us all and may he unite us for his glory”.

    May 3rd, 2006 at 7:39 pm

87. Shoshana says:

    Kudos to brother Hardy! He is very wise in his observations about Messiah as the sole one that intercedes with God the father. Although I disagree on his point that the law is done with ( a popular view pushed by Rome nearly 2000 years ago) it is far more important to understand Messiah’s unique position as the sole intercessor. The majority of bible scholars side with Hardy’s assertion that Mary had other children.
    All prayers to Mary or other saints to intervene are a waste of time. Yes “miracles ” may be attributed to them but they do not really come from them. Satan would rather grant a few “favors” in order to keep many in the dark and away from the one and only true intercessor, Messiah. Moreover, it is going to get worse as the enemy will perform greater “miracles” in order to deceive many. This is written in the word that it will happen. Many will fall as they keep praying to (dark) angels unaware of what they are really doing.
    Shalom

    May 4th, 2006 at 1:06 am

88. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brother Hardy,
    Where in the Bible is the word Bible, and where does it tell you to pray to the TRINITY? Or is the word TRINITY in Scripture - I may have missed out on this and others, can you help me by pointing these two out.
    You talk about having asked a Priest about worshipping Mary, and he answered you, however, isn’t it possible, that the question you put was not really understood by the priest as coming from a hostile person to the dogma?
    God Bless you Brother, and your fiancee, and may the one among you who is right succeed in convincing the other.

    May 4th, 2006 at 5:29 am

89. Hardy Thomas says:

    My brethren, please do not ask me tomorrow where dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible.
    The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, but the doctrine is.
    The all of us know BIBLE Simply is a name meaning a “Collection of Books” or “the little library of Books”. To denote this Collection of Books holy we add the word “HOLY BIBLE”.
    If such a question is raised then please tell me where exactly in the BIBLE is written “To JESUS thru MARY” and where other than this BIBLE is the word JESUS found.
    The word Jesus is found in many other books. I.e. The Papyrus, The apocrypha, the Dead Sea scrolls, the book of Mormon (read it once if you get a chance… words are very powerfully used), The Latin Vulgate, the Egyptian book of the dead. And also the evil book called “TOLEDOTH JESHU” (a real evil is this book) and also the satanic bible (Anton Szandor Lavey).

    The Bible (from Greek (biblia, “(the) books”, plural of biblion, “book”, originally a diminutive of biblos, which in turn is derived from byblos, meaning “papyrus”,

    Well as I see it I asserted the word “worship” to the priest. Well unless one worships Mary the Mother of Christ one would have not answered to that question. In fact one would be taken aback and say “Worship?? Are you crazy? We only ask her to intervene with the LORD”

    As dear Shoshana has rightly pointed out my error in the passage I have written. I actually meant that the old Law has a new person abiding by it. And that is Jesus.

    You talk about having asked a Priest about worshipping Mary, and he answered you, however, isn’t it possible, that the question you put was not really understood by the priest as coming from a hostile person to the dogma?
    God Bless you Brother, and your fiancée, and May the one among you who is right succeed in convincing the other.

    As shoshana very aptly quoted here “it is going to get worse as the enemy will perform greater “miracles” in order to deceive many. This is written in the word that it will happen. Many will fall as they keep praying to (dark) angels unaware of what they are really doing” it is a thing that is really happening in this world.

    Many elect are getting deveived. Matthew 24:3 the disciples asked Jesus, “What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?” In verse 15, Jesus describes for the disciples the event that will cause the birth pains of verses 4-14 to begin: “When ye, therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.” Means that man will elect Satan as the supreme power I gods house. Without even knowing he is Satan thinking man will say “Who is as powerful as the beast “ as said in the book of Revelations.

    One such great phenomenon is that “This deceiver will mesmerize people with his lying wonders. He’ll make fire come down out of the sky to the earth in front of people.” Revelations chapter 13: 13. Remember the Holy fire, the tongues of flame, the Holy Spirit. A recent phenomenon I have seen closely is in one of Benny Hinn’s crusade where he says. “Look the holy spirit is coming from the sky. He is coming to you right here.. right now.” Talking as if he has total control of the Fire of heaven.

    Me and My fiancé aren’t debating or fighting over this question. It’s a free will as I have told before to decide what is right and what is wrong among everyone. And she has hers and I have mine.

    May 4th, 2006 at 7:21 am

90. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brother Hardy,
    It was you and people who do not believe in the Dogma of the Church, who first asked where is it mentioned that we must pray to the dead and to Mary, naturally the rebound question is based on the fact that not all things we do in FAITH, are mentioned in the Bible

    Now as for your quote, from the bible, copied herebelow

    Many elect are getting deceived. Is the Writer talking about people who are within the Apostolic Tradition or of those that are going against? Who is being deceived, the one who have remained firm in the teachings that have come down from the Apostles, or the ones who are finding their own meanings?

    And remember just One point in this whole discussion, both of us are faceless and without an identity to all who are reading us. I have used my actual name, as I believe you have? So I hope, that in my getting back to you, everyone realises that I am standing by the TRUTH, as I have learned it, and you as you have learnt or understood it. Both of us are not gaining anything personally, only sincere wish is that I am not contributing in misleading the elect.
    And the message is for all my CATHOLIC brothers and sisters, and also to all who are reading
    God Bless

    May 4th, 2006 at 7:34 am

91. Hardy Thomas says:

    Dear Brother Hardy,
    “Naturally the rebound question is based on the fact that not all things we do in FAITH, are mentioned in the Bible”
    That’s what the bible clearly quotes my dear brothers… that many will make up faith of our own (and mislead many even the elect) those do not come from the scriptural way of faith Its something else rather than that mentioned in the bible
    I do not think I have made or come with a set of people over here to gain victory of a virtually divided group of yours namely Roman Catholics brother Salvador. I have come to learn and help learn the many brothers and sisters that are in here.
    The writer is not talking about any tradition here. He is not even bothered of tradition… He is talking about the people of God. The many children of god who will fall into the trap of the devil creating faiths of their own that are not mentioned in the scripture, (to be in tune with god) and into worship of their own thinking it as god. People finding their own way and also people who were firm in their faith. Remember it’s the very “ELECT” that will abandon their faith.
    And my dear brothers at least I am hear to gain understanding on everything I speak whether is there any broader sense than that ones that I have spoken of. And that is how I gain. And this message is not restricted to only Catholic Brothers and sisters, but to every one who is my brother and sister in faith. Remember it’s by truth we all stand united. Truth that it only with Christ we have salvation.
    Peace with you all.

    May 4th, 2006 at 11:18 am

92. OME says:

    Dear Salvador,
    i have followed with great attention your contribution to this article SERVANT OF GOD. I loved all your contributions and have followed the ‘debate’between you and Brother Hardy. i too am catholic,and i beleive that Mary is our Mother. i give her her honor and venerate her. i totally agree with your analogy: asking Mother Mary to pray for us is like asking your friend, sister, cousin, whoever to pray for you. it makes sense.i just want to thank you for lifting my spirit. its uplifting to know that there are catholics like you out there that are not passive christians. cos where am from, most people say that catholics are not ‘real christians’, we worship idols and chant on beads(rosary).but you have encouraged me to continue being what i am. a catholic. thank you.its my prayer too that God will unite us all for his glory. Amen.

    May 4th, 2006 at 12:06 pm

93. Shoshana says:

    Dear ones, asking Mary to pray for you is NOT THE SAME as asking your brother or sister to pray for you. Why? Because Mary is not alive like someone here in earth is. We are not to pray to the dead the scripture says nor communicate with the death. To my knowledge scriptures do not say that Mary resurrected, only Yehsua has done so. Yes, she like the rest of us will eventually get a new body but for now she is not a nephesh (soul/body the word used in Gen. when God made man a living being), but simply spirit thus she is not in a position to pray for anyone. Dead people can’t pray plain and simple.
    As for the teachings of the apostles still being taught today, how could that be? The apostles were all Jewish, they did not believe in worshiping any virgins (back then these were many such, known by various names), they never taught the church to pray to Mary or the saints or ask them to pray to the father on their behalf; they were followers of Yeshua and did as Messiah taught them, to pray to father in Messiah’s name. If the church was truly following the teachings of the apostles rather than the teachings of Rome then it would not have changed God’s Sabbath (the 4th commandment in regular bibles) nor He’s feasts which are also considered Sabbaths.
    Shalom and blessings from the Almighty

    May 5th, 2006 at 12:40 am

94. Hardy Thomas says:

    Yes dear shoshana…

    You have made the point… Christ is coming to judge the liveing and the dead.

    May 5th, 2006 at 5:10 am

95. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ.
    If we go according to some of the comments, than we should not even pray to Jesus, because Jesus himself clearly said, When you pray, pray like this, and he directed the prayer to the ‘Father’ Jesus did not say, ‘Ask me and you will receive’, he said “Whatever you ask the Father in my name, you will receive”. But that is not the point. I am addressing this to all who believe in the Catholic Church teachings, and putting our petitions to the Dead.
    Now When Jesus comes to judge the living and the dead, it may mean the physically dead or it could also mean the dead who have no eternal life. But since everyone will deserve to know why he is where he is Christ will judge us all at the end of the world.
    If Mary, since she is dead cannot listen to us, then Moses should not have been with Elijah, when he was with Jesus at the transfiguration.
    Dear Brothers and Sisters, the discussion here would have amply proved to you, how understanding Scriptures by yourself can lead you astray. Please, my dear brothers and sisters, remain firm in the teachings of the Apostles, remember the Scripture tells us to remain firm to the teachings that we have HEARD.
    God Bless you

    May 5th, 2006 at 9:24 am

96. Hardy Thomas says:

    My dear brethren,

    The scripture tells us to remain firm in the teachings that we have heard of our apostles and forefathers… Yes very true and so we are…and we prove that by not following the very Non apostolic doctrines created by the former leaders of the Roman catholic church. The best example would be the intervention of St Michael (the archangels) prayer. The pope strongly recommends the prayer of St Michael (the archangels) prayer or in other words St Michael’s rosary.

    This I do not thing were the apostolic teachings. They did not because God had told them not to. The Lord almighty has seen that his people will do so and have warned the others who have wisdom to be away from these kinds of people. The do everything similar to how they worship God. Erect their own congregation of Angels, Mothers, saints etc and then use the word “intervene,” They do everything to these Mothers and saints and angels as they do to the Almighty and then use the safe word “Intervene.”

    As it is said “Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.” Colossians 2:18

    The Lord buried Moses; Elijah was taken into heaven in bodily form. Christ ascended into heaven by himself. Mary dies on earth as a human (her ascending is not quoted in the scripture). Period. The transfiguration showed our great ancestors. Who had toiled their entire life for the Lord. Listening to everything what he has told them to do, and also faced his anger humbly when they disobeyed him. Please tell me my dear brethren,

    What was so important of Mary the mother of Christ that she has done in the scripture other than giving birth to the Messiah, (because the Lord found her to be spotless and in the genealogy of Abraham). In that case why not we also “intervene” John the Baptists mother as she was the one who gave birth to the one who spend his entire life saving people and making way for the messiah. Let’s also “intervene” Joseph the earthly Father of Jesus who did not doubt the Lords power and took Mary as her wife and did not keep any physical relation with her till the Messiah was born.

    Yes my dear brethren… remain in the teaching of the Lord from the apostles and don’t listen to the false apostles that are preaching a different gospel the one which was not mentioned in the scripture.

    The Lord be with you all, and strengthen you all in faith.

    May 5th, 2006 at 11:14 am

97. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ,

    Personal intepretation of the Bible, adding. THIS I THINK IS NOT THE APOSTOLIC TEACHING, doesn’t qualify to tell us that what one is thinking is right.

    Quoting out of Context, is the way of twisiting Scripture, that we have been warned about.

    And we do venerate St. Joseph, St. Elizabeth (Mother of St. John the Baptist) and St. John the Baptist himself.

    Like I have said earlier this discussion can go on and on, but because there are Catholic bretheren who are reading this, I am forced to reply, to the wrong notions presented. Like in Col 2:18 quoted above, to show that Catolics are wrong, but Bro. Hardy, has expressed his view to support Shoshana, inspite of the same Chapter. This is selective understanding.

    The Theological understanding of the Chapter is as below.
    (Quoted from the New Jerusalem Bible printed under the imprimatur & Nihil Obstat)

    “The errors of Colossae opposed by Paul are not yet those of the second-century gnostics, but rather ideas common among the Jewish Essenes. The danger at Colossae was the result of the basically Jewish (Col 2.16) speculations which the Christians at Colossae had taken up about the celestial or cosmic powers. These weee the powers, thought to be responsible for the rgular movement of the cosmos, and the speculations about them, much influenced by Hellenist philosophy,attached an importance to these powers that threatned the supremacy of Christ. The author of the letter accepts these cosmological premises and, far from expressing any doubts about these powers, he associates them with the angels of Jewish tradition, CO 2:15; he is concerned only to show their subordinate place in the scheme of salvation. Their task had been to ‘mediate’ the Law and to administer it, and that task is now accmplished: Christos Kyrios, Christ the Lord, has established a new order of things and he now governs the cosmos. Raised up to Heaven, he is above all the cosmic powers and has stripped them of their ancient dignities, Col 2:15. Because he is the Son, the Father’s image, he was their Lord already when the world was made; now in the new creation he is their confirmed and absolute MAster, far gathered into him is the pleroma, the fullness of Being, that is to say the fullness both of God and of all that exists through God’s creative power, Col 1:13-20 Christians have been set free from these ‘elements of the world’, Col 2:8, 20, through being united with their Master and thus sharing in his fullness, 2:9-10, Christians must never again accept their tyranny by submitting to outworn and ineffective observances, Col.2:16-23. United to the risen Christ by baptism, Col 2:11-13 are parts of his BOdy and receive a new life from him, as from thier life giving Head, 2:19, Paul’s primary interst had always been in the salvation of Christians; the new perspective provoked by the arguments at Colossae embraced the effects of Christ’s work on the entire cosmos. since the human race forms part of the cosmos, the cosmos itself must be influenced by the saving act of the one and only Lord of all creation. In this perspective, a whole new breadth is given to the concept of the ‘Body of Christ’, which was an idea, that, a few years previously, Paul had only touched on. Three aspects of this broader view, which focuses on the function of Christ as Head, are: that the scope of salvation is seen to be cosmic; that Christ, into whom the Church has to structure itself, is the victor who has trimuphed over the whole cosmos; and finally that the conception of the future, eschatological, promise as already realised, becomes very much more central, See. Eph 2:6

    May 5th, 2006 at 1:32 pm

98. Hardy Thomas says:

    My dear Brethren
    One twists the scripture if one quotes out of context something that is written in the scripture. But if something, not written in the scripture, is quoted then it is called blasphemy… or heresy.
    Yes I am not surprised that the entire genealogy before and after Jesus is (in Roman Catholic terms) venerated.
    My friends are we so weak in faith that we want all of these people to intervene us to the glory of Christ and to the arms of Jehovah our LORD. If you are then stop drinking milk and eat solid food. Ask for mercy and you will receive it. Seek for the kingdom of god and you will find it. Knock your slumbering heart and Christ himself will open the doors to you. You don’t need anyone else to intervene for you.
    Jeremiah 9:24. Let him who boasts, boast about this: that he understands and knows Me. As for me I will boast that I know my Lord. And not the human race that went after him.
    There was no bretheren as CATHOLIC bretheren. The people of the Lord were named as CHRISTIANS, at Pentecost. From where did Catholic arise.
    Understanding and following something that is written in the scripture is not called selective understanding. Like as it is quoted in Col 2:18. This view wasn’t presented by me to express someone views. It was brought to the open by apostles to show who the elect of god’s people will go to their own methodologies of worship.
    New Jerusalem Bible: where did this spring from. Let me see. 1985. In the nineteenth century my brethren, when the false prophets are at the peak. I imagine how someone quotes this in conjunction of the scripture. Is this 19th century BIBLE a thought of god or a thought of man? As our dear brother Salvador has quoted you must follow the apostolic ways and no personal interpretations etc. Well it clearly makes it easy to understand how our minds lead us to something else.
    Col 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” And the New Jerusalem Bible is again out of the tradition of man. Pity there are some who follow it.
    And the lord said to us: I, the LORD, am your God; you shall not venerate the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are dwelling. But you did not obey me.” Judges 6:10
    He is going to ask you too how many humans (born capable of sin) the dead (who have to face trials themselves) and angels (who are again in judgment of eternal fire where many have fallen) have you venerated. What will be your answer my dear bretheren

    Peace to you all.

    May 5th, 2006 at 2:23 pm

99. Salvador Fernandes says:

    Dear Brother Hardy,

    The New Jerusalem Bible, as I have stated is printed under an Imprimatur, that is the permission of a Bishop of the Catholic Church, and it is very important for Catholics to have their Bible with this imprimatur. You can then check any Catholic Bible bearing this imprimatur, and the message is the same.

    THE CANON OF THE BIBLE

    We are staking our salvation on the truth of God’s Word.

    Protestant OT is based on the Hebrew Canon, whilst the Catholic OT is based on the Greek Canon.

    In (285-246 BC) a translation of the entire Hebrew Bible into Greek was begun by 70 to 72 scholars (6 each from every tribe) The term Septuagint is Latin for 70 (LXX)

    In the NT the Septuagint is cited in 340 places, whilst the Hebrew canon is cited only in 33 places.

    Research into the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran, has discovered ancient Hebrew copies of some of the disputed books.

    The Rabbinical schools rejected seven books from the OT in the 3rd century.

    Obviously Christ and the apostles and all Christians used the Septuagint, in fact until the 15th century, the Bible was as Catholics know it today.

    The entire NT was written in Greek.

    If your Bible includes the seven books, you follow Jesus and the early Church, if not you follow non-Christian Rabbis and Martin Luther.

    The Bible is a Catholic (Universal) book. The NT was written, copied and collected by the Church in the 4th Century.

    Rom:3:28 Martin Luther added the word ‘alone’ it does not appear in either the Greek or Hebrew Scripture.

    ——

    Check Scripture further:

    Church is the pillar and bulwark of faith - 1 Tim 3:15

    We will be no longer be like children, forever changing our minds because someone has told us something different or because someone has cleverly lied to us and made the lie sound like truth - Eph 4:4

    And on Standing firm on Traditions of Men: check 2. Thes 2:15; 1 Cor. 11:12, 1 Cor 15:1-3; 2 Thes. 3:4-6

    Now consider for yourself who is to be pitied, those that follow the Bible and Apostolic Tradition that is the same for over 2000 years or those that have changes in their Bible.

    Jill and some of you agree that we have to get rid of baggage, whilst you obviously are not ready to let go of yours, inspite of many Catholics affirming on this site that we do not worship Mary or the saints, you have made up your mind that we do.

    God Bless you

    May 6th, 2006 at 4:46 am

100. ahbong81 says:

     Dear bros,
     after reading all these especially the 2 of you.. i would say u guys really get to know the bible a lot. Just because the article was about mary… it has such a ‘great’ respond. i’m not going to judge any of u for God alone can judge. but then i believe love and peace is more important here. Hold firm on what u believe rather than trying to correct each other. To God be all the glory..!!

     May 6th, 2006 at 6:39 am

101. Hardy Thomas says:

     That means a person (BIBLE) has changed the very meaning of the bible and added his tag such that whatever he has said to be right is to be followed ant the Catholic congregation has allowed him to do so?.
     “It is now quite clear that the concept of continuity, authority, infallibility of the Church and the Church’s teaching, on which there has not been sufficient reflection, has led the Catholic Church into a dangerous tight corner.” (This, alone, with other doubts, regarding papal infallibility, was said by Hans Kung, a prominent Catholic theologian, 1971).
     My friends the Apostles have done that job long before. We do not need an imprimatur or any other human (born capable of sin and also capable of misleading) to make a newer Bible (The New Jerusalem Bible) in this wee hour. Is it to prove that Catholics have the right to make or do anything they want in their own way? And their congregation just follow it, blindly.
     I say that most have misunderstood me. I am not from a catholic church or a protestant (although I am baptized in this church and it continues to be my legion) church; I believe in the church of Christ. I am not a follower of principles of Martin Luther or the present day pope. The Bible made by the apostles is. I have read all the deuterocanonical books and have continued to read all the books to find the reason that were erred in them. The books mentioned in the KJV version of the bible have the exact words as the Apocrypha, the good news bible, the one which Catholics follow. The only thing it does not have is the books made by Romans in the 70 A.D. those were the deuterocanonical books
     In (285-246 BC) a translation of the entire Hebrew Bible into Greek was begun by 70 to 72 scholars (6 each from every tribe) The term Septuagint is Latin for 70 (LXX)
     Very true… so doesn’t it indicate that the Bible first made (the Hebrew) is the actual bible as Protestants follow it? Then after Catholics translated it did the translation undergo with the influence of the Holy Ghost or the Dark ghost, we do not know.
     Church is the pillar and bulwark of faith - 1 Tim 3:15. Faith in what? Faith in the 2000 years of imprimaturs acting on the Bible?
     We will be no longer be like children, forever changing our minds because someone has told us something different or because someone has cleverly lied to us and made the lie sound like truth - Eph 4:4 Well cant this be the sign about eh imprimaturs who are cleverly influencing the New Jerusalem Bible. The Hail Mary, The Rosary, The St Michael’s Rosary, Don Bosco’s Madonna and many many more.
     Well to affirm our faith we have only one… The BIBLE.
     1 Corinthians 12-15 but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
     For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
     For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
     For the body is not one member, but many.
     If the foot shall say, because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
     My Brothers, tell me one thing that you don’t do to Mary or angels that you do to Christ in worship? Well the importance of their “Intercession” is become so high that even objects of prayer to Mary and Angels are also available, Rosary, Pendants, Rings, Posters, Hymns, Prayer books, etc. I did not see you having a rosary of Christ. Neither Christ nor any apostles having a rosary Well was it an influence of the apostles or Christ? It is not. As it was by a man in the Catholic descent, St. Dominic (attributed the invention of the rosary (1170-1221).
     You give so much importance to the Earthly Mother of Christ and the Angels (who knows whether they have fallen now or are still in heaven as Jehovah says that he won’t even spare angels.) and Catholics try to escape using the word Reverence, veneration, intercede and what not and they say they do not worship.
     Well my friend, if we search in Google or any other search engines we get a lot of information to point out to the other in many ways. What The Lord wants is how much you know him. Not how much you Google out for him
     And As Dear brother ahbong81 said. Let us be firm in what we have Faith in. And to god be Glory.

     May 6th, 2006 at 9:09 am

102. Hardy Thomas says:

     Dear brethren. my previous mesage had one mistake..

     the first line goes as this
     That means a person (BISHOP) has changed

     May 6th, 2006 at 9:19 am

103. Salvador Fernandes says:

     Brother Hardy,

     You definitely have got your facts wrong, anybody but anybody will tell you that the Bible was not compiled in 70 AD. It was done in the 4th century.

     The Septuagint proves that the 7 books were part of the scripture when it was translated to Greek from Hebrew. the 7 books like I have pointed out to you were omitted only in the 4th century. During the Apostolic times it was the Greek OT, that was followed, and hence those 7 books were part of the teaching.

     You are reading between the lines, to prove your own point, I have mentioned that you can read any of the books with an imprimatur, and the message will be the same as it was in the Bible as written in the 4th century, unlike some of the other Christian Bibles.

     Looking around we can see where the message has been changed, where gay marriages are being allowed, where divorces are abounding, where abortions are considered normal (this definitely goes against your quote of human beings being there before they were born, doesn’t it?) Yes definitely there have been sinners in the Catholic Church, but in their individual capacities, and you will find sinners everywhere - I too am a sinner, God have mercy on me and all sinners.

     Yes the Rosary appaears like we are only repeating the Hail Mary, however a Catholic should be able to point to you that we reflect on each mystery, the Teachings of the Apostles. And Yes we are using the same beads to recite the Divine Mercy Chaplet - which is devoted to Jesus Christ - Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One have mercy on us and on the whole world.

     And my message here is not to correct you or anyone else with his or her belief, it is (Jude 1:3; James 5:11;) that I am ready to defend my Faith, so that any brother/sister who is a Catholic, can read and be strengthened in the TRUTH.
     (Like some have responded in this blog itself)

     What does 2 Thes. 3:6 tell you?, besides my other references to holding firm on TRADITIONS.

     God Bless you

     May 6th, 2006 at 12:47 pm

104. Hardy Thomas says:

     My brother…
     I say the bible was not done in the 4th century. I meant Bible: The collection of the gospels or books.
     If it is true that the gospels was written, say before the year 70 A.D., then we would have a very good reason for believing that they were written by the disciples of Jesus Himself. If they were written by the disciples, then their reliability, authenticity, and accuracy are better substantiated. And in 70 AD the books of the Acts of the Apostles were written.
     Also, if they were written early, this would mean that there would not have been enough time for myth to creep into the gospel accounts since it was the eyewitnesses to Christ’s life that wrote them. Furthermore, those who were alive at the time of the events their early authorship as well as apostolic authorship becomes even more critical for the gospel to be said as true.
     Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written before 70 A.D. The exact time those apostles gathered.
     Though there is still some debate on the dates of when the gospels were written, they were most assuredly completed before the close of the first century and written by eyewitnesses or under the direction of eyewitnesses
     And that my friend is the Bible.
     The 4th century was when the Catholics creeped in with their 7 books and myth creept into the gospel, (as they have their Imprimatur even now creating bibles under their supervision). And formed their deuterocanonical books. And so anybody but anybody (catholic) will tell you that the Bible was not compiled in 70 AD. Because their bible counted when the 4 deuterocanonical books were added.
     The Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, dating from ca. 250 BC, produced in Alexandria by 70 (or 72 - accounts vary) Jewish scholars. Some books not part of the original Hebrew canon were included - these have become the “Apocrypha”.
     Well I do not need an Imprimatur to help me learn what god has said. That let my Catholic brethren do so, as they have been doing. Placing many humans, dead, angels and now Imprimatur’s to learn the gospel. Well the Lord wants you to eat solid food but you still drink milk
     Hebrews Chapter 5:11-14 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
     Everyone is a sinner. But in Christ you are saved. But non are worthy for the kingdom of god. Only the grace that he has given us can make us reach salvation thru Christ.
     Gay marriages, divorces are abounding abortions are considered normal sadly in major American states. Well definitely not in our lands. That’s the way the Americans have brought their countrymen, free to do anything. Children are leaving their parents to old homes to get rid of them. Not India. Come here and you will see a different glory of the Lord.
     Beads to Recite? You recite to Jesus using beads? Well the hindus also do that to their gods. Who made this ritual or practice…. God or man?
     If it is man then it must be definitely under ones own interpretation. Then how come Catholics blindly followed that tradition which was an interpretation of a Catholic St. Dominic. And secondly Catholics use the same beads to recite to god? How astounding that you say you don’t worship Mary the mother of Jesus. Well you use her beads to talk to god!!
     Yes my brethren… hold firm on the traditions of the apostles of Christ… not the Roman Catholic Apostles. The ones who went about selling salvation tickets. Are they ones from the Apostles? The Roman Catholic Church was, is and will always be making their very own methodologies and doctrines (NJV)
     We should stay on wisdom and guard that God’s holy word the Bible will never change or be replaced with a so called New Jerusalem Bible.
     God bless you.

     May 6th, 2006 at 3:01 pm

105. shoshana says:

     Amen brother Hardy!! In Joshua 1:7-8 we read “Only be strong and very bold in taking care to follow all the Torah (teachings/law) which Moshe my servant ordered you to follow; DO NOT TURN FROM IT EITHER TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT; then you will succeed wherever you go. Yes, keep this book of the Torah on your lips, and meditate on it day and night, so that you will take care to act according to everything written in it. Then your understanding will prosper, and you will succeed.”. We are also again told by Yeshua (Jesus) himself to keep every yud of the Torah. This same Torah that he and his apostles quoted all the time is what he used to teach and is what points to him as our only Messiah and only mediator. Any other teachings that are not in scriptures, both the first one and second one are not inspired of God but man-made. This is why Yehsua argued with the Pharisees; they too were following the teachings of men; additions to Torah which is the same thing the church has done. If God was displeased with that back then what makes anyone think he approves of the church meddling with his word now? God is the same yesterday, today and forever, he changes not. A thousand years for man is like a day for God, his word is as valid today as it was when Yeshua and the apostles preached it and as it is today. You may be a Catholic, Muslim or Hindu, and show all kinds of love to others but the fact remains God never wanted anyone to change, take from, or add to his holy words, it doesn’t matter who you are or to what belief you subscribe. Man is indeed very presumptuous to think that because he is a Christian he has the right to tamper with the Almighty’s word. That my friends is pride and a heresy. That is why Yehsua debated the Pharisees for; they changed God’s word as he intended and added man’s interpretation. The church today has to repent of doing the same and get rid of its Roman cloak and embrace its roots, being careful as the Jewish apostle Shaul said in Romans not to presume that if God cut the natural branches temporarily he will not hesitate to cut the grafted ones as well. It is written that those who teach others to follow a gospel different from the one that Yeshua taught (which very much follows the precepts taught in Torah) will be LEAST in the Kingdom of Heaven. They will still be in the kingdom because they are saved by the blood of the perfect lamb but they will be least. Many so called “church fathers” may find themselves in that group as they came up with estrange doctrines that differ from the truth that our Jewish Messiah and the Jewish apostles taught. Anyone well versed in Judaism will know that a good Torah observant Jew would not teach a lot of the anti-Torah teachings that the church has espoused and taught to the ignorant masses during nearly 2000 years. All I can say is “Come Messiah Yehshua” as only he can fix this mess.
     May all have a sweet and peaceful Shabbat

     May 6th, 2006 at 4:21 pm

106. rania says:

     hi,my dear friendz hardy thomas and Salvador Fernandes i cant understand wht is wrong with both of you.you started your ist articles about Mother MARY and now you ended it some where else……i think it is better if both of you keep his own idea to him self and stop this war like of a thing between you.there is something for sure our faith is one and we all believe in the lord jesus christ but this arrogent between you is only a matter of point of wview it is that simple.
     may GOD and our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with his love

     May 6th, 2006 at 5:30 pm

107. Hardy Thomas says:

     Amen.. friend shoshana

     May 6th, 2006 at 5:35 pm

108. Hardy Thomas says:

     And may he bless you too friend Rania

     May 6th, 2006 at 5:55 pm

109. shoshana says:

     Dear Rania,
     What Salvador and Hardy are doing is VERY GOOD and healthy. They are doing what was done back in the days when Yeshua walked this earth as Messiah Ben Joseph. Wish there would be more of these debates to uncover God’s truth and not just man shying away from debates because it is somehow “not loving or nice”. Rubbish my dear, to the contrary, the devil would want us to stay in darkness and to be ignorant of God’s word. It is a wonderful thing to discuss the word of the living Elohim (God,) that man may get to know his true Messiah and not some false Messiah presented to the world (basically a European gentile with gentile values, long brown or blondish hair, an often trimmed beard and even effeminate looking, who avoided controversies).. That may very well be what the anti-Messiah will look and act like when he comes to deceive many under the disguise of peace and love for mankind.
     Shalom

     May 6th, 2006 at 5:55 pm

110. Pushpa says:

     REMEMBER,O MOST GRACIOUS VIRGIN MARY,THAT NEVER WAS IT KNOWN THAT ANYONE WHO FLED TO YOUR PROTECTION,IMPLORE YOUR HELP,OR SOUGHT YOUR INTERCESSION.WAS LEFT UNAIDED.INSPIRED WITH THIS CONFIDENCE,I FLY TO YOU.O VIRGIN OF VIRGINS,MY MOTHER. TO YOU I COME,BEFORE YOU I STAND,SINFUL AND SORROWFUL.O MOTHEROF THE WORLD INCARNATE,DESPISE NOT MY PETITIONS,BUT IN YOUR MERCY HEAR AND ANSWER ME.AMEN

     May 6th, 2006 at 8:47 pm

111. jimmytang says:

     its the matter of faith..i do believe that the catholice church is teaching the truth and i honour our Mother Mary.. this is my believe.. for bro hardy and shosana, do u pray before u start to write all those comment?.. pray that u are writting in order to let all the believers knows the truth. instead of having purpose to win the debate.. same things goes to savaldor.. we protect our own believe.. and thats nth wrong with it.. but as u ppl go on and on, dont u ppl realize that u are doing something that you urslf is mentioning now and before?.. saying things like, dont interprete the words in our own way.. but i had read all those interpretion in all ur comment..good and logic..but do it really were the meaning that the original writter wan us to know?

     and by keeping on pouring out our own knowledge without receiving any input, its tat the healthy way to debate?.. for example.. since the last post, bro savaldor and bro ome had been telling tat We catholics didnt worship our Mother Mary.. but do anyone take it as a point?..as i can see bro hardy and shosana keep in mentioning in their comment that the catholics are worshiping Mary..

     and why cant we ask Mary to pray for us?..u mentioned about because Mary is dead? do u missed out something that the Lord tolds us that to those who are worthy and following our Father shall have an eternal life?? i repeat, its eternal life..meaning we shall live forever for Jesus had conquere the death… so why cant we ask and plead to Mother Mary who are living in heaven( and not the dead as shosana mentioned) to pray for us??

     actually by saying that God’s foolishness is far more wiser than man’s wisdom.. who are we to decide wat OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN is deciding on wat status HE shall grant to Mother MAry? What we really know about What is happening in heaven now?? we could only follow the words tat left by Jesus Christ himslf..and also the teaching of the apostle…i take bro savaldor favourite words into this commment,, go approach ur parish priest or spiritual teacher…for all Catholics breathen, be firm with our believe… for unless GOD himslf come to us and tell us that we are wrong,then no other human can deny our truth.. to God be all glory… peace be u all…

     May 7th, 2006 at 6:57 am

112. Salvador Fernandes says:

     Cheers brother Jimmy Tang

     PRAISE GOD

     May 7th, 2006 at 8:57 am

113. shoshana says:

     Dear Jimmy Tang,
     We shall all receive new bodies AFTER the resurrection, that dear has not happened yet. At this point Mary and the others are still spirit, not bodies. We are told not to pray to the dead in the bible. There is no room for interpretation; it is not a matter of dogma or man’s interpretation but of the plain word of God, without adding or taking away from it. When Yeshua returns he is not going to give hoot about any religious group dogma, only the word of the father will survive. Joshua 1:7-8 “Only be strong and be very bold in taking care to follow all the Torah which Moshe my servant ordered you to follow; do not turn from it either from the right or to the left; then you will succeed wherever you go. Yes, keep this book of the Torah on your lips, and meditate on it day and night, so that you will take to act according to everything written in it” This scripture plainly tells us no stick to the written word of God without turning from it (or adding or subtracting as it says in another passage). It does not say to listen to man’s teachings, regardless of what the teachings are, that includes all churches dogmas , the book of Mormons, the Jehova’s witness books, the Koran, the Talmud, Hinduism, Confucianism, etc, etc. .According to this passage there is no room for anything else that is not written in the bible. We are told to meditate, that is, think about, and yes dear, pray about the written word of God so we can act accordingly. If one really sets aside all man made books and meditates on God’s word instead then one will be able to act or live God’s word rather than man’s foolishness.
     As for Catholics not worshiping Mary, read what Pushpa wrote right above you and tell me what that is.

     May 7th, 2006 at 12:32 pm

114. Hardy Thomas says:

     There is and old wise saying, “The one who brings up a Child is far more a mother than the one who has given birth to a child.”
     And one concluding line in this… war that I am doing out here (as pointed by my catholic brethren). If the dead have to undergo test of their faith when Christ comes how can we decide whom we should intervene amongst the dead? Hence Jehovah has quoted you shall have no other god before me and I have my child to whom you must ask to reach me. He hasn’t appointed anyone nor living nor dead nor angels nor saints. Then who is human.
     Revelation Chapter (17:6) And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
     (17:18) and the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
     Remember the woman is a city. The city of god is a multitude but the great city is the greatest multitude on earth

     May 7th, 2006 at 12:54 pm

115. leonardo_manila,philippines says:

     everything is simple here we all have our mothers right?? jesus had a mother too in mary now if somebody talks ill of your mother would you not be irate?? so please stop denigrating the holy mother of god the son Jesus mary was chosen by god the father and belssed by god the holy spirit during pentecost give her credit for all of you are saying with GOD he can do all things right?? what we do not know if and lonly god because he was pleased with mary elevated her to a status of a god then we follow ok? but we stick it our with jesus our lord and savior and love his mother too so what is wrong with that huh?

     May 8th, 2006 at 2:08 am

116. Salvador Fernandes says:

     Amen Brother Leonardo

     Thank God for Christians like you.

     Reminds me of the Hymn we sing

     “All over the world, the Spirit is Moving -

     And the Spirit leads into the whole truth.

     God Bless

     May 8th, 2006 at 4:27 am

117. Hardy Thomas says:

     leonardo_manila…

     Love her even we do. But intercede, and worship her. we dont.. well most catholic brethren use the word intercede when actually they dois worship. Let us see the many catholic brethren over herehas said about Mary

     jurgenu says: mary is mother earth: none can call a lady mother earth unless she is stated as god.

     salvador fernaddes says: And Yes Mary can become an idol: how simple. worship of idols is prohibited. idols that we create in our mind

     Eva says:i;m a devotee of mama mary: you only become a devoitee of god. not your parents or any human.

     Carlos Domacasse says:When I see Mary, I see God: what a clear description

     John says:Mother Mary, Mother of Salvation: salvation is attained thru jesus when did mary srart giving salvation?

     Mary says:I love you Mama Mary. Help me in my hour of need and I will always love you. Your Servant Mary. we become
     servants only to our master. and he is god. This shows that mary is god to this friend of ours

     Ferdinant Nallengara says:I don’t know the feminine of God. Surely Mary is that one, if not to be called God. This is very interesting. you have made a female god.. Mary..

     and you yourself say:god because he was pleased with mary elevated her to a status of a god.

     Great going brethren. I did not know this is called intercession. make her god and then give her the status of god and use the owrd intercede her

     May 8th, 2006 at 4:45 am

118. Hardy Thomas says:

     well actually looking at my “catholic” brethren I think they know not what they do to the mother of christ. But somewhere in their prayers they have a safe word “intercede for us” and so have reasoning to say we intercede her not worship her.

     May 8th, 2006 at 5:02 am

119. mfp says:

     dear jill

     we are thankful for your article which is very useful for us & also we understand the true love of God

     May 8th, 2006 at 8:35 am

120. Shoshana says:

     Dear brother Hardy your wisdom is shown in your good observation of our Catholic brethren.
     Dear ones, God the father, Yeshua the son and Mary herself do not want you to worship her in any way, shape, or form. There is no point in sugar coating it, the bottom line is you have transformed her into a goddess. Guess what? Check out history and look it up for yourselves. There has been such mother goddess in many pagan ancient religions, and this was the case during Yeshua’s ministry. He certainly did not fall for it, nor the apostles, and especially not Mary herself.
     Dear ones the catholic church in an effort to convert pagans has a well known history of taking pagan beliefs of various groups and coating them as it were with Christianity. This is history not opinion. In effect what it has done is compromise.
     You shall have no other God but me means just that, no compromising. You shall love the Lord your God with all your strength was one of the two commandments Yeshua summarized for us as important. When it comes to loving God we can’t compromise, he says he is a jealous Elohim (God). He would not let Israel do it and he certainly won’t let anyone else do it, regardless of what the church dogma says. God decides, not the church or any other religious group.
     It is a very hard thing to shake yourself loose from the way you were raised; the way you are used to perceive things becomes an integral part of you. That is why it takes the intervention of the Ruach hakodesh, the Holy Spirit to open your eyes and ears and guide you into all truth, man can’t do it by himself; all man can do is mess up.
     I pray that the breath of the father will guide you into his truth.

     May 9th, 2006 at 2:10 am

121. Hardy Thomas says:

     Amen Shoshana…

     God is with us all

     May 9th, 2006 at 5:50 am

122. ahbong81 says:

     amen everyone. let my reply be the last. let’s not continue ‘this’ anymore. To God be all the glory. Let’s just concentrate on serving HIM our most high. for salvation is individual right!! God bless everyone. THE END………………….

     May 9th, 2006 at 4:07 pm

123. jimmytang says:

     i guess i know ah bong81..
     haha.. and i believe salvador get fadeup oledi..
     bro hardy and miss shosana.. i think we should stop..
     agree? wat dont we discuss on better way to grow.. or how to help others to grow?
     if Mary become an item to debate on.. between both christian, i as believer of GOD tat honour Mary, i think Mary would be sad also..

     no matter what in between that set us apart, still ONE THING IS ALWAYS THE SAME, OUR GOD IS TRUE AND MERCIFUL GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

     and salvador, sorry, i know we should defend our believe, but continue on like this, both side will be in vain…

     to GOD be all glory…

     peace to all…

     May 10th, 2006 at 5:50 am

124. Margaret says:

     Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but by me”. He also said, “Anything you ask by my name..” We do not pray by the name of Enock who walked with God until he was no more; or Elijah who was carried by a chariot of fire into heaven. I really do not understand why anyone who reads the scriptures would choose to worship or pray through Mary?

     May 11th, 2006 at 5:27 am

125. ahbong81 says:

     margaret… u will understand when u join our Lord later. For u it seems like a worship towards Mary.. but for them it is NOT. Who are we to judge just by looking at the prayers? God looks at the heart od men. as i said early.. let’s stop this!!!
     I agreee with Jimmy (and i know u). Jesus said..” blessed are the peacemaker”. Margaret.. u will not find your answer here because of different ways of practising this faith. To God be all glory…

     May 11th, 2006 at 9:33 am

126. Hardy Thomas says:

     Do not worry my friends.

     we all have a sack of sins that we have on each and everyone of our shoulders. We are bound to open them before the Lord on the day of judgement and let him judge the bitter amongst all of us.

     But we should all pray for each other and never ask anyone to pray for us.

     Amen and glory be to God the Father, the son and the holy spirit.

     May 11th, 2006 at 11:45 am

127. Verónica B. says:

     Estimada Shoshana:

     Mis saludos y respeeto a tus creencias,te tengo muy presente en mis oraciones en todo este mes de Mayo,mes de María,siempre rezamos el rosario por todos aquellos cristianos huérfanos de Madre.No sé que experiencias haz tenido con los católicos o como te han embaucado,o robado dinero,pero de algo s´estoy muy segura la cuenta de muchos pastores evangélicos alimentadas por los diezmos de todos los de su iglesia están super millonarias de cualquier manera todos vamos a comparecer ante Dios y cada uno será juzgado por sus acciones para con su prójimo y su fe. De nada sirve aprenderse la Biblia de memoria si sus enseñanzas nunca las vas aponer en práctica.El punto de La Virgen Santísima para muchos es hasta molesto,pero qué hijo en esta tierra se siente feliz de que ofendan a su madre. considero que ninguno,aunque hay sus 4 locos que pueden hacerlo, Tú crees que Jesús hijo de Dios no se siente herido de que ofendan indiscriminadamente a su Madre, la Virgen María.La iglesia católica es la que Cristo edificó desde su tiempo aquí en la tierra cuando le dijo a Pedro que ël sería la piedra sobre la cual construiría su Iglesia. De cualquuier manera, esto es discusión de nunca acabar y en este mundo “No hay peor ciego que el que no quiera ver…” María Santísima está esperando por tí al igual que los Santos del cielo,si a Tí no te han hecho ningún milagro seguramente es por que no los has invocado por tu poca fe. Hasta en la tierra necesitas de intercesores,cuanto más en el cielo para llegar a Dios.
     Dios te proteja siempre.Amén

     María Auxiliadora de los Cristianos…Ruega por nosotros.

     May 12th, 2006 at 9:04 pm

128. Shoshana says:

     Estimada Veronica,
     Ninguna iglesia cristiana fue establecida por el apostol Pedro ya que este, como buen judio que era, siguio su fe judia tal y como lo hizo nuestro Mesias, todos ellos eran judios y vivieron su fe hasta el final, solo que lo hicieron como judios creyentes en el Mesias prometido, y habian miles de judios creyentes que asi lo hicieron.
     La iglesia catolica no fue fundada sino muchos anos mas tarde, ya para aquel entonces muchas ideas de origen pagano se habian infiltrado entre los creyentes. Entre estas ideas vino la de adorar, a lo que en aquellos tiempos se reconocia como una diosa de la fertilidad, la cual algunos llamaban la madre naturaleza.
     Nadie insulta a Maria ni a los santos sino aquellos que insisten en adorarlos y rezarles ya que ellos mismos saben que esto es un aprobio. El unico, segun la palabra de Dios, que es mediador entre Dios y el hombre es el Mesias, aparte de el no hay nadie mas. De no ser asi su muerte hubiera sido en vano.
     Los tales llamados milagros que son atribuidos a Maria, no han sido echo por ella, ya que ella como cualquier mortal es incapaz de hacer milagros. Los verdaderos Milagros son echos por Dios el padre cuando se lo pedimos en el nombre de su hijo, (y por cierto mi padre celestial si me ha echo muchos milagros). No obstante, la biblia nos explica que satanas tendra poder para asi descarrilar al hombre y hacerle creer lo que no es verdad. El echo que nuestro padre celestial mando a su unico hijo para la salvacion del hombre y asi reconciliarlo con el padre es motivo suficiente para enardecer al demonio y hacer hasta “milagros” para despistar al hombre consiguiendo asi que adoren a los que supuestamente han echo estos milagros, y no al Dios verdadero. Hasta cierto punto los demonios consiguen de esta forma ser los repositores de la adoracion del hombre que es lo que al final de cuentas desean obtener ellos.
     Yo tambien oro por todos los latinoamericanos que estan en tanta obscuridad spiritual ya que el Mesias regresa pronto y tenemos que estar listos para reconocerle y no ser despistados por el anti-Mesias.

     May 13th, 2006 at 12:57 am

129. jimmytang says:

     hhmm????

     May 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 am

130. tolassa says:

     praise the lord whois the creator of all.

     May 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pm

131. gilda says:

     friends,
     in India,many people call their cousins as brothers and sisters and it was the same in Jesus’ time. Mary feels that her son’s sacrifice was in vain for so many and so she appears weeping for her ungrateful children. in one of the apparations to Marguerite, Jesus says “warm your mother’s heart which is frozen by the indifference of so many to my sacrifice. love and honour her, I will not take away an iota of the devotion that is due to her.
     In most of the apparitions, Jesus appears along with Mary.
     Thanks Salvador, for defending Our Blessed Mother.
     gilda

     May 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pm

132. peyvnd says:

     Thank you Jill.(Sorry for my weak English) I always love Jesus because of his three commandments : love each other , Forgive each other and don’t judge about each other.
     I always says to myself:
     God is love,
     God forgive my sins,
     God covers my sins and mistakes,
     God is merciful,
     So if you want to be God,( be unit with God) so love, Forgive, Cover the others sins, and Be merciful.
     I’m called a Muslim. But I called myself a Believer of GOD. I’m a lover of God and every body whom tells my God’s Word and commands. I sometimes watch TBN Europe program (specially Benny Hinn ’s program) in TV. My English is weak but I feel it with my heart. I know that Jesus talks with me because it is not different for him that I am a Christ or Muslim, I am an American or Iranian. He never turn back to me, He takes my hand lovely and guide me as my prophet Mohammad. But I am sorry for all the Christian and Muslims that think that there is different between a Muslim and Christian. It is not important my name , It is not important the name of my religion, That’s important that I hear the sound of my God and see his light and feel him with my heart through my life in every language and from every tongue. I love Jesus Because he understand me.. He does not tell me “bad man or woman” because of my nation or religion. In my opinion there is “bad” and”good” everywhere without any border. Badness or goodnees doesn’t search a certain religion or area but They look for a suitable heart.
     Thank you that let me to tell the words of my heart.
     God bless with you.

     June 24th, 2006 at 7:10 pm

133. Bibi Hodge- Shaw says:

     Dear Jill,
     I once again thank you for your insights ib Bible Teachings, here though you have erred teriibly.
     Mary was chosen by God to bring Jesus on earth because of her obedience and Purity to God the Father, she obey everything that asked of her, but she did not have anything to do with Jesus, it was all God’s plan. When Mary went to look for Jesus her son while he was teaching his people he said to her, my mother, father and family is those that worship the God that sent him, when Jesus was hanging on the Cross he told her woman go with thy way. He did not even say Mother but “Woman”.
     Mary instructed people of her time to,listen and follow Jesus because she can do nothing for them. At the wedding feast Mary did not turn water to wine but she told her son there was no wine and Jesus made made even though he said my time is not yet come.
     Let us read the scripture and ask God the father for wisdom and understanding to his word and not Mary. Please Jill July 4th in America is just another tradition, In God we Trust means nothing to Americans in today’s day and age. Your country is fighting War to gain Peace.

     July 5th, 2006 at 12:26 pm

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     my dear jii
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     try to tell
     all to well
     it is will
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     rwt@yahoo.com

     July 11th, 2006 at 4:23 am

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