Comments on: Seed of Freedom http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26 Current Events Through the Eyes of Jesus Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:49:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: MATHEW http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-2355 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:11:42 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-2355 HI DEAR JILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE VALUABLE MESSAGE. HOW ARE YOU? HOW IS YOUR DAD? IS HIS CONDITION IMPROVING OR REMAINING THE SAME? CAN HE DO HIS BASIC NEEDS INDEPENDENTLY. WE PRAY FOR HIS IMPROVEMENT. BYE, MATHEW & FAMILY HI DEAR JILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE VALUABLE MESSAGE. HOW ARE YOU? HOW IS YOUR DAD? IS HIS CONDITION IMPROVING OR REMAINING THE SAME? CAN HE DO HIS BASIC NEEDS INDEPENDENTLY. WE PRAY FOR HIS IMPROVEMENT. BYE, MATHEW & FAMILY

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by: PhaM Van Thuan http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-2338 Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:58:38 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-2338 Why, you give me words of Jesus?, although, I feel boring. I think, if the Word'S I can do everything which I happy. thank's alot, but inwhile I boring. I think I want to join this Websit to accept happy!!!!!!. Do you want what my boring? Why, you give me words of Jesus?, although, I feel boring. I think, if the Word’S I can do everything which I happy. thank’s alot, but inwhile I boring. I think I want to join this Websit to accept happy!!!!!!. Do you want what my boring?

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by: Biayna http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1601 Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:39:51 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1601 Dear Jill First of all, I am so happy for you and your father, thanks god,and thanks for letting me be part of this. While I was reading your wonderfull article, I heard our neighbour's wailing.I heard them crying and asking god to help them, but they lost their loved one and I heard all that... I agree with all u say, but sometimes it seems to me that it is because I am a happy girl with a wonderfull family and without any serious problem, but what if I was instead of my neighbours? what if I was in trouble? would I be able to keep my faith and belief as strong asit is right now? please pray for me and for our neighbours and thank u so much again. GOD bless u all Dear Jill
First of all, I am so happy for you and your father, thanks god,and thanks for letting me be part of this.
While I was reading your wonderfull article, I heard our neighbour’s wailing.I heard them crying and asking god to help them, but they lost their loved one and I heard all that…
I agree with all u say, but sometimes it seems to me that
it is because I am a happy girl with a wonderfull family and without any serious problem, but what if I was instead of my neighbours? what if I was in trouble? would I be able to keep my faith and belief as strong asit is right now? please pray for me and for our neighbours and thank u so much again.
GOD bless u all

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by: shoshana http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1586 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:01:57 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1586 This parable of the seed also fits in with Acts 15, as the seed grows in good soil so does the word of Yah. Acts 15 1 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." This chapter clearly starts out discussing a salvation issue in a specific community, Antioch. There was a group of Judeans essentially saying you first had to become a Jew in order to be saved. This may have been because they taught that since salvation was of the Jews, and gentiles were considered dogs, and since even Yeshua himself basically healed only a couple of gentiles that pressed on him this was the case as well. One can see where this thinking would come about, especially seeing how Yeshua and the apostles and other believers kept Torah. Regardless of their motivation this whole chapter deals with the issue of first having to be converted to Judaism in order to be saved by the blood of the lamb. 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses." Here we see a sect of Pharisees who had accepted Yeshua’s sacrifice and in proper Pharisaical way insisted that they must be circumcised and follow Torah. OK, so no surprises there. This was their background and training; Torah study and oral traditions as well. The good thing was, these men being Pharisees are saved, they saw Yeshua as the promised Messiah, praise Yah! They correctly see that one is to follow the commands, as Yeshua did and told us to do. The only problem is that in this case they wanted the gentiles to run before they could even stand up (much less walk). They may have not considered that new gentile believers needed to be weaned from milk to meat. Maybe they had come in contact with gentiles that already where very familiar with Torah so it was not much of a step for them but this was obviously not the case with these gentile believers as they had to be admonished to keep four very simple rules. Rules that apparently they were infringing upon which indicates the level of paganism these gentiles were living prior to accepting the sacrifice of Yeshua. Notice the response given to the believing Pharisees, which echoes Yeshua’s own mention of a yoke: 10 “Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?” The statement is made, reiterating the point of this chapter, salvation for gentiles is the same as salvation for us (Jews), by faith in Yeshua’s sacrifice: 11 “No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." Then they go on to ascertain: 20 “Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.” Clearly there was a problem among this particular community of gentile believers with these issues. There were obviously no God fearers to begin with, for God fearers would in all likelihood not need these admonitions. Had they been God fearers they would have probably gladly follow Torah as the next step in understanding of scriptures and as a natural desire to follow the Master’s steps. After all, that is what discipleship is all about, to follow the steps of the rabbi under which one is discipled. Yeshua gave the apostles the task of making disciples of all nations. Why would they disobey the words of Yeshua and shorten themselves by just telling a specific group of new gentile believers that all they have to do is the four things delineated in verse 20? Really that makes no sense at all. The answer is reflected in the following verse: 21 “For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath." How did the God fearers became so? They heard Moses being preached! The apostles knew this, all these NEW BABIES in Messiah had to do to get on the right track was abstain from the very pagan practices they were accustomed to and then as they would go to the synagogues and temple the Ruach would convict them of the rest just at it happened with the other God fearers. If these believers were to fellowship with the rest of the body of Messiah they would have to go to synagogue and the Temple on Shabbat for at this point Sunday meetings was not an option, the Jewish apostles and believers to whom these new gentiles were joined met on the Sabbath, kept the feasts and kept Torah so it was a matter of time before they too would do likewise. However, they felt it was imperative that they at least forsake their idolatry, fornicating, etc. They reached a compromise of sorts to get them on board, but this in no way meant it was the end of the line. This parable of the seed also fits in with Acts 15, as the seed grows in good soil so does the word of Yah.
Acts 15
1 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”
This chapter clearly starts out discussing a salvation issue in a specific community, Antioch. There was a group of Judeans essentially saying you first had to become a Jew in order to be saved. This may have been because they taught that since salvation was of the Jews, and gentiles were considered dogs, and since even Yeshua himself basically healed only a couple of gentiles that pressed on him this was the case as well. One can see where this thinking would come about, especially seeing how Yeshua and the apostles and other believers kept Torah. Regardless of their motivation this whole chapter deals with the issue of first having to be converted to Judaism in order to be saved by the blood of the lamb.

5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses.”
Here we see a sect of Pharisees who had accepted Yeshua’s sacrifice and in proper Pharisaical way insisted that they must be circumcised and follow Torah. OK, so no surprises there. This was their background and training; Torah study and oral traditions as well. The good thing was, these men being Pharisees are saved, they saw Yeshua as the promised Messiah, praise Yah! They correctly see that one is to follow the commands, as Yeshua did and told us to do. The only problem is that in this case they wanted the gentiles to run before they could even stand up (much less walk). They may have not considered that new gentile believers needed to be weaned from milk to meat. Maybe they had come in contact with gentiles that already where very familiar with Torah so it was not much of a step for them but this was obviously not the case with these gentile believers as they had to be admonished to keep four very simple rules. Rules that apparently they were infringing upon which indicates the level of paganism these gentiles were living prior to accepting the sacrifice of Yeshua. Notice the response given to the believing Pharisees, which echoes Yeshua’s own mention of a yoke: 10 “Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?” The statement is made, reiterating the point of this chapter, salvation for gentiles is the same as salvation for us (Jews), by faith in Yeshua’s sacrifice: 11 “No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” Then they go on to ascertain: 20 “Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.” Clearly there was a problem among this particular community of gentile believers with these issues. There were obviously no God fearers to begin with, for God fearers would in all likelihood not need these admonitions. Had they been God fearers they would have probably gladly follow Torah as the next step in understanding of scriptures and as a natural desire to follow the Master’s steps. After all, that is what discipleship is all about, to follow the steps of the rabbi under which one is discipled.
Yeshua gave the apostles the task of making disciples of all nations. Why would they disobey the words of Yeshua and shorten themselves by just telling a specific group of new gentile believers that all they have to do is the four things delineated in verse 20? Really that makes no sense at all. The answer is reflected in the following verse: 21 “For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” How did the God fearers became so? They heard Moses being preached! The apostles knew this, all these NEW BABIES in Messiah had to do to get on the right track was abstain from the very pagan practices they were accustomed to and then as they would go to the synagogues and temple the Ruach would convict them of the rest just at it happened with the other God fearers.
If these believers were to fellowship with the rest of the body of Messiah they would have to go to synagogue and the Temple on Shabbat for at this point Sunday meetings was not an option, the Jewish apostles and believers to whom these new gentiles were joined met on the Sabbath, kept the feasts and kept Torah so it was a matter of time before they too would do likewise. However, they felt it was imperative that they at least forsake their idolatry, fornicating, etc. They reached a compromise of sorts to get them on board, but this in no way meant it was the end of the line.

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by: venu http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1585 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:30:56 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1585 dear jill, thanx for the wonderful articles you are mailing, i am able to grow in the Lord more day by day.The parable about the seed is very good,the Lord says whoever has ears het him hear in Luke that means God is speaking clearly to ecah and everyone one of us to believe in his words.Jesus already said that blessed r those who believes without seeing. love n prayer venu dear jill,
thanx for the wonderful articles you are mailing, i am able to grow in the Lord more day by day.The parable about the seed is very good,the Lord says whoever has ears het him hear in Luke that means God is speaking clearly to ecah and everyone one of us to believe in his words.Jesus already said that blessed r those who believes without seeing.
love n prayer
venu

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by: Shoshana http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1563 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:11:27 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1563 Dear Salvador, Nothing could be farther from the truth. If I am living under the curse of the law then so was Yeshua and so were the apostles, who kept it to a greater degree than I do. I am simply following him; as he said if you love me keep my commandments. By his grace we are saved, but the Christian church in general has been mislead into thinking grace is something that came after Yeshua. No dear one, grace has been given to man since the Garden of Eden, my ancestors lived under grace and by grace they were taken from Egypt and in spite of themselves brought into the Promised Land. There has always been grace. Yeshua having kept the law does not dismiss the law. He fulfilled the promises of the law but as he declared, not an iota (yud) will depart from it till the new heaven and earth comes. Man is very capable of following Yahweh's commandments; His Sabbath, His feasts, His food regulation; we can all do it just as the apostles and early Jewish and gentile believers did. They did it and so can we! The church under the influence of the Roman government changed all that, but Yahweh never changed it. The church will have to go through a period of cleansing and learning before it can fully join the bride of Messiah, this too will happen to those who sincerely meant it when they said "I do" to Messiah Yeshua. I realize the Catholic church teaches that they are the early ones that form and unbroken chain from the apostles, but did you know that there is a group of Baptists, and an Apostolic Nazarene church making the same claims? How could there be so many? The fact is all are wrong as none really do as Yeshua did. They follow the teachings of man, not of God. They follow man-made doctrines and creeds, and often trample God’s commands saying ”they are done away with”. They choose man’s way over Yah’s way. Oh wait, but that is just what many of my ancestors often did. Only by His grace we are all still here!!! The time will come when things will get very ugly here on earth and those who remain faithful till the end will see the truth. I do not have any teachings of my own, none; all I have pointed to is in the bible to be verified by those who leave their doctrines behind and study the book with an open mind and heart. As I stated earlier, far be it for me to draw someone away from my beloved Jewish Messiah Yeshua, he is the way, the truth, and the life. However, most of today’s church is no more his true church than most of the present day rabbinical Judaism. At the present time, one has a picture of a lawless Messiah and bride, and the other has no true Messiah at all. Praise Yah that this too will change in due time as the truth is revealed. I do pray that the Ruach will open some spiritual ears so that by Yah’s grace I may, perhaps plant a seed or two. Yah bless you in Yeshua’s name. Dear Salvador,
Nothing could be farther from the truth. If I am living under the curse of the law then so was Yeshua and so were the apostles, who kept it to a greater degree than I do. I am simply following him; as he said if you love me keep my commandments. By his grace we are saved, but the Christian church in general has been mislead into thinking grace is something that came after Yeshua. No dear one, grace has been given to man since the Garden of Eden, my ancestors lived under grace and by grace they were taken from Egypt and in spite of themselves brought into the Promised Land. There has always been grace.
Yeshua having kept the law does not dismiss the law. He fulfilled the promises of the law but as he declared, not an iota (yud) will depart from it till the new heaven and earth comes. Man is very capable of following Yahweh’s commandments; His Sabbath, His feasts, His food regulation; we can all do it just as the apostles and early Jewish and gentile believers did. They did it and so can we! The church under the influence of the Roman government changed all that, but Yahweh never changed it. The church will have to go through a period of cleansing and learning before it can fully join the bride of Messiah, this too will happen to those who sincerely meant it when they said “I do” to Messiah Yeshua.
I realize the Catholic church teaches that they are the early ones that form and unbroken chain from the apostles, but did you know that there is a group of Baptists, and an Apostolic Nazarene church making the same claims? How could there be so many? The fact is all are wrong as none really do as Yeshua did. They follow the teachings of man, not of God. They follow man-made doctrines and creeds, and often trample God’s commands saying ”they are done away with”. They choose man’s way over Yah’s way. Oh wait, but that is just what many of my ancestors often did. Only by His grace we are all still here!!!
The time will come when things will get very ugly here on earth and those who remain faithful till the end will see the truth. I do not have any teachings of my own, none; all I have pointed to is in the bible to be verified by those who leave their doctrines behind and study the book with an open mind and heart. As I stated earlier, far be it for me to draw someone away from my beloved Jewish Messiah Yeshua, he is the way, the truth, and the life. However, most of today’s church is no more his true church than most of the present day rabbinical Judaism. At the present time, one has a picture of a lawless Messiah and bride, and the other has no true Messiah at all. Praise Yah that this too will change in due time as the truth is revealed. I do pray that the Ruach will open some spiritual ears so that by Yah’s grace I may, perhaps plant a seed or two.
Yah bless you in Yeshua’s name.

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by: Salvador Fernandes http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1559 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:53:53 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1559 Dear Shoashana, With your various views and comments it is obvious that you are living under Law, (OT), whereas, we Christians are living in Grace, for the law has been fulfilled by Christ (man being incapable God had to send his only Son, to become a pleasing sacrifice). We Catholics, understand that the teachings have come to us from the Apostles, (you have to read the early Church fathers, and not the early Reformers to understand the Catholic faith). I sincerely hope and pray, that all your rantings against the Catholic Church does not sway a true Christian to fossake Christ and his Church, and become prey to your teachings. GOd Bless Dear Shoashana,

With your various views and comments it is obvious that you are living under Law, (OT), whereas, we Christians are living in Grace, for the law has been fulfilled by Christ (man being incapable God had to send his only Son, to become a pleasing sacrifice). We Catholics, understand that the teachings have come to us from the Apostles, (you have to read the early Church fathers, and not the early Reformers to understand the Catholic faith).
I sincerely hope and pray, that all your rantings against the Catholic Church does not sway a true Christian to fossake Christ and his Church, and become prey to your teachings.
GOd Bless

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by: Shoshana http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1550 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:14:51 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1550 Asherah Asherah, and its plural form, Asherim, from the Hebrew word pronounced ash-ay-raw, refers to a pagan goddess, also known as Astarte to the Canaanites and Ishtar to the Assyrians and Babylonians (where we get the name Easter). The common symbols of the cult were tree trunks with all of their branches removed and images carved into them. These standing tree trunks were the reason that some versions of the Holy Bible translate the actual original word of the Holy Scriptures, Asherah or Asherim, as grove or groves e.g. for 2 Chronicles 15:16, from the RSV and KJV: "Even Maacah, his mother, King Asa removed from being queen mother because she had made an abominable image for Asherah. Asa cut down her image, crushed it, and burned it at the brook Kidron." (Revised Standard Version) "And also concerning Maachah the mother of Asa the king, he removed her from being queen, because she had made an idol in a grove: and Asa cut down her idol, and stamped it, and burnt it at the brook Kidron." (King James Version) The Asherah Cult As the Scriptures above make clear, the Israelites, from ordinary people to royalty, were greatly CORRUPTED by the cult of Asherah. The Lord commanded them not violate The Second Commandment, but they stubbornly and foolishly often did it anyway (just as millions of people still do today), despite the efforts of righteous people and God's true prophets to rid the people, who claimed to be God's people. (from http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030422.htm) Asherah
Asherah, and its plural form, Asherim, from the Hebrew word pronounced ash-ay-raw, refers to a pagan goddess, also known as Astarte to the Canaanites and Ishtar to the Assyrians and Babylonians (where we get the name Easter). The common symbols of the cult were tree trunks with all of their branches removed and images carved into them. These standing tree trunks were the reason that some versions of the Holy Bible translate the actual original word of the Holy Scriptures, Asherah or Asherim, as grove or groves e.g. for 2 Chronicles 15:16, from the RSV and KJV:
“Even Maacah, his mother, King Asa removed from being queen mother because she had made an abominable image for Asherah. Asa cut down her image, crushed it, and burned it at the brook Kidron.” (Revised Standard Version)
“And also concerning Maachah the mother of Asa the king, he removed her from being queen, because she had made an idol in a grove: and Asa cut down her idol, and stamped it, and burnt it at the brook Kidron.” (King James Version)
The Asherah Cult
As the Scriptures above make clear, the Israelites, from ordinary people to royalty, were greatly CORRUPTED by the cult of Asherah. The Lord commanded them not violate The Second Commandment, but they stubbornly and foolishly often did it anyway (just as millions of people still do today), despite the efforts of righteous people and God’s true prophets to rid the people, who claimed to be God’s people.
(from http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030422.htm)

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by: Shoshana http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1549 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:03:26 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1549 Dear Salvador, It is true that Yahweh said to make some molten images like the snake which as soon as the people worshipped off it went. He also asked to have the cherubims made for the arc, etc. but these where the only ones and he was specific on their use and in one place only, not to worship them or have them everywhere. Yahweh never said to make images after humans (virgins and saints). These are like the gods and goddesses images that Yahweh detests. Consider this please, in the Catholic Church, and especially among the Latin American population, there is a great number of people who do prostate themselves, pray and worship images (or the saints and virgins they represent). I have seen them both in person and TV doing this. They light candles to their image (saint, virgin) and so forth. You must admit to have seen this done as well. This as stated in some of the scriptures is even an abomination to the Almighty. Perhaps you personally do not participate in these activities as may be the case with American Catholics in general but this is obviously not the case with all Catholics. . Le 26:30 I will destroy your high places, and cut down your sun-images, and cast your dead bodies on the bodies of your idols; and my soul shall abhor you. Nu 33:52 - then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured [stones], and destroy all their molten images, and demolish all their high places: De 7:5 - thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their engraved images with fire. De 7:25 - The engraved images of their gods shall you burn with fire: you shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, nor take it to you, lest you be snared therein; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God. De 12:3 - and you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and burn their Asherim with fire; and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods; and you shall destroy their name out of that place. 2Ki 17:16 -They forsook all the mitzvot of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah, and worshiped all the host of the sky, and served Ba`al. 2Ki 17:41 - So these nations feared the LORD, and served their engraved images; their children likewise, and their children's children, as did their fathers, so do they to this day. 2Ch 14:5 - Also he took away out of all the cities of Yehudah the high places and the sun-images: and the kingdom was quiet before him. 2Ch 34:3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father; and in the twelfth year he began to purge Yehudah and Yerushalayim from the high places, and the Asherim, and the engraved images, and the molten images. 2Ch 34:7 He broke down the altars, and beat the Asherim and the engraved images into powder, and hewed down all the sun-images throughout all Eretz-Yisra'el, and returned to Yerushalayim Ps 78:58 For they provoked him to anger with their high places, And moved him to jealousy with their engraved images. Isa 17:8 They shall not look to the altars, the work of their hands; neither shall they have respect to that which their fingers have made, either the Asherim, or the sun-images. Isa 21:9 and, behold, here comes a troop of men, horsemen in pairs. He answered, Fallen, fallen is Bavel; and all the engraved images of her gods are broken to the ground. Isa 27:9 Therefore by this shall the iniquity of Ya`akov be forgiven, and this is all the fruit of taking away his sin: that he makes all the stones of the altar as chalk stones that are beaten in sunder, [so that] the Asherim and the sun-images shall rise no more. Isa 30:22 You shall defile the overlaying of your engraved images of silver, and the plating of your molten images of gold: you shall cast them away as an unclean thing; you shall tell it, Get you hence. Isa 41:29 Behold, all of them, their works are vanity [and] nothing; their molten images are wind and confusion. Isa 42:8 I am the LORD, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to engraved images. Jer 8:19 - Behold, the voice of the cry of the daughter of my people from a land that is very far off: isn't the LORD in Tziyon? Isn't her King in her? Why have they provoked me to anger with their engraved images, and with foreign vanities? Jer 51:47 Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will execute judgment on the engraved images of Bavel; and her whole land shall be confounded; and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. Eze 6:4 Your altars shall become desolate, and your sun-images shall be broken; and I will cast down your slain men before your idols. Eze 16:17 You did also take your beautiful jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and mad for you images of men, and did play the prostitute with them; Am 5:26 Yes, you have borne the tent of your king and the shrine of your images, the star of your god, which you made for yourselves. Mic 5:13 I will cut off your engraved images and your pillars out of your midst; And you shall no more worship the work of your hands. Yah bless you Dear Salvador,
It is true that Yahweh said to make some molten images like the snake which as soon as the people worshipped off it went. He also asked to have the cherubims made for the arc, etc. but these where the only ones and he was specific on their use and in one place only, not to worship them or have them everywhere. Yahweh never said to make images after humans (virgins and saints). These are like the gods and goddesses images that Yahweh detests.
Consider this please, in the Catholic Church, and especially among the Latin American population, there is a great number of people who do prostate themselves, pray and worship images (or the saints and virgins they represent). I have seen them both in person and TV doing this. They light candles to their image (saint, virgin) and so forth. You must admit to have seen this done as well. This as stated in some of the scriptures is even an abomination to the Almighty. Perhaps you personally do not participate in these activities as may be the case with American Catholics in general but this is obviously not the case with all Catholics.
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Le 26:30 I will destroy your high places, and cut down your sun-images, and cast your dead bodies on the bodies of your idols; and my soul shall abhor you.
Nu 33:52 - then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured [stones], and destroy all their molten images, and demolish all their high places:
De 7:5 - thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their engraved images with fire.
De 7:25 - The engraved images of their gods shall you burn with fire: you shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, nor take it to you, lest you be snared therein; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God.
De 12:3 - and you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and burn their Asherim with fire; and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods; and you shall destroy their name out of that place.
2Ki 17:16 -They forsook all the mitzvot of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah, and worshiped all the host of the sky, and served Ba`al.
2Ki 17:41 - So these nations feared the LORD, and served their engraved images; their children likewise, and their children’s children, as did their fathers, so do they to this day.
2Ch 14:5 - Also he took away out of all the cities of Yehudah the high places and the sun-images: and the kingdom was quiet before him.
2Ch 34:3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father; and in the twelfth year he began to purge Yehudah and Yerushalayim from the high places, and the Asherim, and the engraved images, and the molten images.
2Ch 34:7 He broke down the altars, and beat the Asherim and the engraved images into powder, and hewed down all the sun-images throughout all Eretz-Yisra’el, and returned to Yerushalayim
Ps 78:58 For they provoked him to anger with their high places, And moved him to jealousy with their engraved images.
Isa 17:8 They shall not look to the altars, the work of their hands; neither shall they have respect to that which their fingers have made, either the Asherim, or the sun-images.
Isa 21:9 and, behold, here comes a troop of men, horsemen in pairs. He answered, Fallen, fallen is Bavel; and all the engraved images of her gods are broken to the ground.
Isa 27:9 Therefore by this shall the iniquity of Ya`akov be forgiven, and this is all the fruit of taking away his sin: that he makes all the stones of the altar as chalk stones that are beaten in sunder, [so that] the Asherim and the sun-images shall rise no more.
Isa 30:22 You shall defile the overlaying of your engraved images of silver, and the plating of your molten images of gold: you shall cast them away as an unclean thing; you shall tell it, Get you hence.
Isa 41:29 Behold, all of them, their works are vanity [and] nothing; their molten images are wind and confusion.
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to engraved images.
Jer 8:19 - Behold, the voice of the cry of the daughter of my people from a land that is very far off: isn’t the LORD in Tziyon? Isn’t her King in her? Why have they provoked me to anger with their engraved images, and with foreign vanities?
Jer 51:47 Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will execute judgment on the engraved images of Bavel; and her whole land shall be confounded; and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her.
Eze 6:4 Your altars shall become desolate, and your sun-images shall be broken; and I will cast down your slain men before your idols.
Eze 16:17 You did also take your beautiful jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and mad for you images of men, and did play the prostitute with them;
Am 5:26 Yes, you have borne the tent of your king and the shrine of your images, the star of your god, which you made for yourselves.
Mic 5:13 I will cut off your engraved images and your pillars out of your midst; And you shall no more worship the work of your hands.
Yah bless you

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by: Salvador Fernandes http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1543 Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:34:51 +0000 http://www.gotjesustalk.com/?p=26#comment-1543 Dear Shoshana, Like usual we can go on and on, and I am writing to you, inspite of a feeling that someone out there will one day tell us to 'SHUT UP' Now as per my faith, I do not compare it to someone elses faith. Nor do I say that I am saved, (I hope I am, and that I am in grace on my dying bed) and that others are not. I only stick to the teachings from where I got my faith, and if it means wearing blinders, I will gladly do that, because Human wisdom, is foolishness in front of God. Of the many things that you believe in, you have now spoken about statues in the Church. If you know your scripture well, you will realise that God did not, say do not make statures per se, he said do not worship statutes. You will find the temple, and the ark was full of images, and most importantly when the serpents were killing the people, God it was that commanded Moses to make an image of a serpent, and all who LOOKED unto it, when bitten were saved? Was the bronze serpent an image of God, or were the people worshipping the idol (although later on, One of the kings had to destroy the snake image, because people had started worshipping it). So you see my dear sister, I sincerely believe In the promise of Christ, where he told the apostles, that when he goes, the Spirit would come and guide, and Christ definitely keeps his promise. Like his other promise of being with us till the end of times. God bless Dear Shoshana,
Like usual we can go on and on, and I am writing to you, inspite of a feeling that someone out there will one day tell us to ‘SHUT UP’

Now as per my faith, I do not compare it to someone elses faith. Nor do I say that I am saved, (I hope I am, and that I am in grace on my dying bed) and that others are not.

I only stick to the teachings from where I got my faith, and if it means wearing blinders, I will gladly do that, because Human wisdom, is foolishness in front of God.

Of the many things that you believe in, you have now spoken about statues in the Church. If you know your scripture well, you will realise that God did not, say do not make statures per se, he said do not worship statutes. You will find the temple, and the ark was full of images, and most importantly when the serpents were killing the people, God it was that commanded Moses to make an image of a serpent, and all who LOOKED unto it, when bitten were saved? Was the bronze serpent an image of God, or were the people worshipping the idol (although later on, One of the kings had to destroy the snake image, because people had started worshipping it).

So you see my dear sister, I sincerely believe In the promise of Christ, where he told the apostles, that when he goes, the Spirit would come and guide, and Christ definitely keeps his promise. Like his other promise of being with us till the end of times.

God bless

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